Whisenhunt and Graves ousted from Arizona

[SethMode]

Cassel is quite a bit better than Kolb? Eh... I don't know about that.

Who cares either way? This discrepancy would only matter in a debate between BB and Whisenhunt. Just because Cassell had success under BB and Whisenhunt can't work miracles out of shit QBs doesn't make Whisenhunt a bad coach, just not as good of a coach as BB.

[SHOGUN]

I will not weep for losing Graves. Whisenhunt will be difficult to swallow because he was the most successful Cardinals coach since Coryell, but I understand it. The lack of player development offensively has been a big concern, especially at QB and the OL. Whiz had a hand in the choices of Anderson, Kolb and Skelton and Russ Grimm has basically done fuck all with the line despite his reputation as a OL guru. He would have likely kept his job if he had fired Miller as OC (who has been awful) and brought back Todd Haley, who wanted to return to AZ last offseason.

I just hope that we promote Ray Horton ASAP and not let him get away. Losing him would be another big blow because the defense is awesome thanks to him nad he will likely gut the entire defensive staff if he leaves. I don't want anyone else @ HC but him. Fuck no to Andy Reid.

I see that nearly all the offensive coaches have been given the boot aside from Kitchens. I really hope they can pull in a big name OC.

[TheImmortalGoud]

Whisenhunt made the calls on all the major personnel decisions. If he wasn't willing to remove himself from personnel decisions then he had to go.

[Glenbino]

The Lindley thing was a fireable offense. I know Skelton and Kolb were nothing special but Ryan Lindley was far and away the worst player on the field every game he played this season..

The Cards could have had at least one or two more wins down the stretch had they not turned the starting job over to him.

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[EmpireWF]

Whisenhunt said to be the favorite for the Buffalo job.

[Diivox]

This firing was a mistake. Whisenhunt is a very good coach, nobody is winning without a QB in this league, especially the collection of stiffs Arizona has. You have no chance.

Those QB's sucked because of Whizz's complete inability to manage them, develop them, or install confidence in them in any way. When Matt Leinert was the guy of the future, Whizz yanked him the first time he so much as tripped over his shoe, or put him in only in in garbage time. Say what you want about Leinert, but Whizz never took a single action with Leinert that made anyone say "NOW THAT's how you bring along a rookie!" and then torpedoed that season by cutting him right before it started. Leinert was right: all he wanted was for the team to "ride or die" with him. Whizz couldn't even give the highly drafted rookie a full season with no questions asked. So what if he tanked? like Max Hall or Derek Anderson were better choices? didn't help the win column any.

Since then, he yanks quarterbacks left and right, legitimately did something like start Max Hall, Skelton, and Hoyer. His boy, Russ Grimm, hasn't been able to coach any effort out of the offensive line since Warner retired (and it's not like the team hasn't tried ;they've spent money and draft picks on the line) Don't give me that crap that it was the rosters fault. Those quarterbacks sucked because of bad coaching and stupid decisions. If you want to watch a horror movie, pick any random 8 games from the Cardinal season and watch as Whizz calls deep pass after deep pass to double and triple covered Fitzgerald. Like, he knew his guys were limited, and yet he did nothing to protect them from their weaknesses or to instill confidence in them. It's splitting hairs to say that the talent itself was on Graves ; Whizz had the juice there and theres nothing Graves would have done that didn't have Whizz's approval.

Whoever they hire as the next HC, more than anything else at all: They need to pick a fucking quarterback and stick with him. Musical chairs doesn't get it done at the NFL level and it only works on the collegiate level with vastly superior talent. That, more than any other reason, is why they fired him. People here in the Valley are elated.

[Guest]

Those QB's sucked because of Whizz's complete inability to manage them, develop them, or install confidence in them in any way. When Matt Leinert was the guy of the future, Whizz yanked him the first time he so much as tripped over his shoe, or put him in only in in garbage time. Say what you want about Leinert, but Whizz never took a single action with Leinert that made anyone say "NOW THAT's how you bring along a rookie!" and then torpedoed that season by cutting him right before it started. Leinert was right: all he wanted was for the team to "ride or die" with him. Whizz couldn't even give the highly drafted rookie a full season with no questions asked. So what if he tanked? like Max Hall or Derek Anderson were better choices? didn't help the win column any.

Since then, he yanks quarterbacks left and right, legitimately did something like start Max Hall, Skelton, and Hoyer. His boy, Russ Grimm, hasn't been able to coach any effort out of the offensive line since Warner retired (and it's not like the team hasn't tried ;they've spent money and draft picks on the line) Don't give me that crap that it was the rosters fault. Those quarterbacks sucked because of bad coaching and stupid decisions. If you want to watch a horror movie, pick any random 8 games from the Cardinal season and watch as Whizz calls deep pass after deep pass to double and triple covered Fitzgerald. Like, he knew his guys were limited, and yet he did nothing to protect them from their weaknesses or to instill confidence in them. It's splitting hairs to say that the talent itself was on Graves ; Whizz had the juice there and theres nothing Graves would have done that didn't have Whizz's approval.

Whoever they hire as the next HC, more than anything else at all: They need to pick a fucking quarterback and stick with him. Musical chairs doesn't get it done at the NFL level and it only works on the collegiate level with vastly superior talent. That, more than any other reason, is why they fired him. People here in the Valley are elated.

THANK YOU! Someone else who sees that Whisenhunt is part of the problem. He's a solid coach, good playcaller, but he did not manage the QB situation well at all.

[Diivox]

THANK YOU! Someone else who sees that Whisenhunt is part of the problem. He's a solid coach, good playcaller, but he did not manage the QB situation well at all.

I'm not even convinced he is that great of a playcaller. Todd Haley was calling the plays during the Warner days. - and Whizz has been on borrowed time since they both left town in 2010. Now, granted, that's Kurt Warner, don't get me wrong here, but the fact remains the offense has been... pathetic? atrocious? insulting to season ticket holders? ever since Whizz took over playcalling / in the 3 seasons since Haley/Warner bounced. Whatever Whizz was in Pittsburgh, he sure as hell was nothing close to it here in Arizona unless it was Kurt Warner punching a hall of fame ticket for himself while wearing a Cardinal uniform.