NFL eyeing Rooney Rule expansion

[ralaw]

But it's terrible when a team knows who they want and the guy happens to be white so guess what, now we have to interview whatever black guy will be willing to do so. Usually some position coach that will eventually be on that same staff.

I agree, but I don't think the corruption of the rule should overtake the intent of the rule. Nothing is going to be perfect, but IMO it is a move in the right direction, Eventually I hope the rule can be done away with.

[Aso]

I agree, but I don't think the corruption of the rule should overtake the intent of the rule. Nothing is going to be perfect, but IMO it is a move in the right direction, Eventually I hope the rule can be done away with.

I deleted my post because I saw people had already mentioned what I said.

But... I will ask when will the rule be done away with after it's been expanded in so many different ways? Coordinators and team presidents?

[Guest]

I agree, but I don't think the corruption of the rule should overtake the intent of the rule. Nothing is going to be perfect, but IMO it is a move in the right direction, Eventually I hope the rule can be done away with.

If they are expanding it, it will never be finished. Eventually, when someone wishes to sell their team, they will have to interview a minority-led group.

[DoubleDeuce]

and you know this because....

50% of the Super Bowls the last 6 years have had a black head coach rep.

And I don't KNOW this, but you don't know the opposite either.

[ralaw]

I deleted my post because I saw people had already mentioned what I said.

But... I will ask when will the rule be done away with after it's been expanded in so many different ways? Coordinators and team presidents?

If they are expanding it, it will never be finished. Eventually, when someone wishes to sell their team, they will have to interview a minority-led group.

I don't know the magic percentage number the league is looking for, but I do know currently the numbers are considerably low. TBH, I think the numbers will improve as we see current and recently retired players realize that opportunities are now a reality. For many years minorities didn't even try.

[Guest]

The other thing, what if you are the head coach of a team, and another team selects your defensive coordinator their HC position, and he accepts. If you want to promote someone from within, a perfectly reasonable idea in both the NFL and business world, do you still need to interview a minority candidate? Does that minority candidate even feel like they have a shot at the job if that's the case. I can understand to an extent if it's a new coach filling a new position, but not replacing someone who left.

[Goober]

exactly...its not like white running backs dont get a shot because they are white. goblin being an ignorant fuck

Well it's not like these coaches aren't getting hired because they're black. they're not getting hired because there is a better candidate out there.

A player's 40 time isn't the end all stat that decides whether or not a player will succeed, just like a coaches skin color isn't the biggest factor in his success.

[Maynard]

Well it's not like these coaches aren't getting hired because they're black. they're not getting hired because there is a better candidate out there.

A player's 40 time isn't the end all stat that decides whether or not a player will succeed, just like a coaches skin color isn't the biggest factor in his success.

how do you know why they are not getting hired? you gonna try and tell me that there wasnt 1 black coach that was better than pat shurmur...cmon

[EmpireWF]

There are only 2 black offensive coordinators, right?

[Aso]

If Hue Jackson doesn't get an offensive coordinator job this off-season I may start to wonder.

[Guest]

There are only 2 black offensive coordinators, right?

There's just two now, but none to start the season. The thing is, a lot of black coaches are currently on the defensive side of the ball.

Ray Horton- Browns
Dennis Thurman- Jets
Jerry Gray- Titans
Perry Fewell- Giants
Mel Tucker- Bears
Alan Williams- Vikings
Todd Bowles- Cardinals

Lovie Smith is a defensive coach, as is Raheem Morris. Both Leslie Frazier and Mike Tomlin had defensive backgrounds as well.

When you look at the trends in the NFL, we all know it's in a direction with lots of offense. Plenty of rookie QBs have come in over the past two seasons and started from Day One without much transition. With that said, of the eight positions that opened up this season, seven chose to hire offensive-minded coaches, leaving all of the guys listed above out in the cold. If the team is not looking to go in a certain direction, you aren't going to make them.

Trends can always reverse themselves. Just look through the Wikipedia page that has all of the NFL coaching staffs lined up in a list. In a few years, many former players will have rose through the ranks offensively to start taking some of these positions. But it's not going to happen overnight, and not going to happen because there will be interviews forced on teams.

[seaplus]

unfortunately the history of the NFL is littered with racist owners who wouldnt even give players a chance to play let alone coach. In todays NFL you still have the old guard way of thinking where 32 rich, white men control who they want to work with.

aahhhh shit. what are these stupid racists doing paying black players?!? oh ... they want to win? so if they thought a black coach would do a better job than a white coach, then these racist owners would probably put aside their racist beliefs for money and hire him wouldn't they?

I believe the intent of the RR is to allow minority candidates to get some exposure and to provide more awareness and training for minority candidates at entry level coaching positions. I really don't see it as being much of an issue.

sounds to me like more needs to be done before we get to these NFL head coaching job vacancies. in my view the RR is only treating the symptom. start early ... create an organization that helps grooms minority kids who want to coach and further develops minority adults currently coaching, have schools start offering sports management degrees linked with african american studies or whatever, create a cross-racial organization where white coaches mentor young minorities trying to break into the field, and do a bunch of other things i can't think of that are even better than what i suggested.

this stupid rule isn't helping and more needs to be done in earlier stages to make a real difference

[Aso]

There's just two now, but none to start the season. The thing is, a lot of black coaches are currently on the defensive side of the ball.

Ray Horton- Browns
Dennis Thurman- Jets
Jerry Gray- Titans
Perry Fewell- Giants
Mel Tucker- Bears
Alan Williams- Vikings
Todd Bowles- Cardinals

Lovie Smith is a defensive coach, as is Raheem Morris. Both Leslie Frazier and Mike Tomlin had defensive backgrounds as well.

When you look at the trends in the NFL, we all know it's in a direction with lots of offense. Plenty of rookie QBs have come in over the past two seasons and started from Day One without much transition. With that said, of the eight positions that opened up this season, seven chose to hire offensive-minded coaches, leaving all of the guys listed above out in the cold. If the team is not looking to go in a certain direction, you aren't going to make them.

Trends can always reverse themselves. Just look through the Wikipedia page that has all of the NFL coaching staffs lined up in a list. In a few years, many former players will have rose through the ranks offensively to start taking some of these positions. But it's not going to happen overnight, and not going to happen because there will be interviews forced on teams.

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