Pats Sign Amendola (5y/27.7m/10g), Talib, Wilson, Arrington (4y/16,/8.5g)

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  • Argath
    $2 whore
    • Apr 2009
    • 9241

    #31
    Originally posted by Glenbino
    I thought that was because they went over the cap in the uncapped season despite the other owners making a "gentlemen's agreement" to not do so...

    Basically the Cowboys and Redskins are being punished for being the only teams not to participate in a league-wide collusion effort on the other 30 owners in the league. At least that's the way I understand those penalties.
    Ah, didnt know that. I thought it was for their restructuring of their contracts and front loading the shit out of them. Wasn't even thinking that they went over the cap I was thinking that the contracts were just too disproportionate or whatever

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    • ram29jackson
      Noob
      • Nov 2008
      • 0

      #32
      Originally posted by Raidersabc123
      I like how the NFL analysts compare Welker and Amendola and there similarities and don't say the most obvious that there both small white guys
      doesnt matter, its a lateral move at best and wont benefit the Pats much at all

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      • ralaw
        Posts too much
        • Feb 2009
        • 6662

        #33
        If healthy Amendola will match Welker's production, but as it has been mentioned this isn't going to make the Pats any better.

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        • Len B
          :moonwalk:
          • Oct 2008
          • 13597

          #34
          Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
          It's not blown out of proportion at all. You are just trying to talk yourself into thinking this is the case.

          Forget all of the games he's missed, he also doesn't finish a good portion of the games he starts. He is constantly leaving games injured and is basically listed as "questionable" every week.
          Damnit. Was it like that the first two seasons too? Maybe New England water will make him super human

          As long as he can stay on the field 75% of the time I like the move. I've loved what I've seen from DA (and admittedly have a huge fantasy football bias), and at the end of the day he just has to be out there. The Patriots aren't running their offense through him, and at the end of the day have to address the defense and find a deep threat.

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          • killgod
            OHHHH WHEN THE REDSSSSS
            • Oct 2008
            • 4714

            #35
            NE offered Welker an additional 6M in incentives, he didn't think he could reach them.

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            • x0xHumblex0x
              Forgeddaaabooouuutiiiit
              • Jul 2010
              • 10229

              #36
              Pats stuck with injury prone ass now........

              he can buy alot of yay-yo with that kinda loot
              3rd & 14, inside your own 15, up 6, 3:20min left to go = call a PA Pass and Cancel. *its Legit, so no needless complaining

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              • kyhadley
                Carefree
                • Oct 2008
                • 6796

                #37
                To understand why the Patriots are comfortable letting Wes Welker walk to Denver while replacing him with Danny Amendola, you have to go back to March 2007 and appreciate what led the Patriots to Welker in the first place.

                When Bill Belichick dealt second- and seventh-round picks to the Dolphins to acquire Welker in 2007, he wasn't bringing in a player with much of a pedigree. Welker went unselected in the 2004 draft, and while he made the Chargers out of training camp, San Diego cut him after the opening week of the season. Every team in the league got a second chance to acquire Welker for free, and each of them passed. Welker cleared waivers and made it to the Dolphins, where he spent one year as a returner and special teams grunt before eventually working his way into regular offensive reps. Unable to beat out the immortal Chris Chambers and Marty Booker for spots in a below-average passing attack, Welker started just three games during his three seasons in Miami. He caught 96 passes for 1,121 yards and one touchdown. Not in his last year. Across all three years.
                Belichick treats second-round picks like they're manna from heaven, and he dealt a second-rounder and a seventh-rounder to the Dolphins to acquire Welker.1 Don't look back at that decision with what we know about Welker now; look back at it with what we knew about Welker at the time. He was hardly a sure thing; he was a receiver perceived to be a situational player with limited upside, Brandon Stokley with a fumbling problem (12 on 390 touches in Miami, a total that he matched over 817 touches with New England). Belichick didn't sign Welker for what he was. Belichick signed Welker for what he thought Welker could be.

                Forgive me for sounding like Amendola's agent again for a moment, but his professional résumé before joining the Patriots simply blows Welker's pre-Pats career away. There are some similarities, of course. After the career at Texas Tech, Amendola went undrafted and became a practice squad guy, bouncing around the Cowboys and Eagles for about a year before eventually catching on with a bad team. The Rams used Amendola as a return guy before pushing him into the lineup as a situational receiver out of the slot. Unlike Welker, Amendola was the focal point of the Rams' passing attack, leading them in most receiving categories (including targets) in 2010. After missing virtually all of 2011 with a torn triceps, Amendola's 11-game season in 2012 prorates out to a 91-catch, 968-yard campaign. He'll join the Patriots with more than twice as many career catches and nearly twice as many yards as Welker had when he joined. He also won't cost the team a draft pick and has just $10 million guaranteed on his five-year deal, which is less than what Welker received as part of his two-year pact with the Broncos.

                The biggest dig on Amendola is his health, but even that's been distorted in the analyses I've seen of this swap. Amendola suffered one major season-ending injury during his time with the Rams, a dislocated elbow. Over that same four-year stretch, Welker suffered one major season-ending injury, a torn ACL against the Texans. Amendola had the misfortune of suffering his injury in Week 1, while Welker's injury came during Week 17, allowing him to recuperate during the offseason before returning (as a limited version of his former self) without missing any regular-season games. This should go without saying, but you don't get to choose when you go down with a season-ending injury. The timing of each player's injury means something in terms of their past availability for their respective teams, but those two injuries are of equal relevance in predicting their future availability for their new teams. In fact, if anything, the Welker injury is scarier; a torn ACL for a player in his early-30s is much more worrisome than a dislocated elbow2 for a player in his mid-20s. Signing Amendola also doesn't preclude the Patriots from drafting another slot receiver in the late rounds (or signing one as an undrafted free agent) and attempting to develop him into a possible replacement if Amendola does go down with an injury.

                What this eventually boils down to is the innate fear of change that fans have with regard to their team's stars. Most people are loath to give up on something good until it's been proven that a once-productive player can no longer perform at the same level. That's understandable, but it's a terrible way to run a football team. Belichick knows that, and he's spent 13 years moving on from players at exactly the right time. Patriots fans probably remember the case of Lawyer Milloy, who was released just before the 2003 season before catching on with the Bills and leading them to a 31-0 victory over the Patriots in Week 1. The Patriots went 17-1 after that and won the Super Bowl. When it wasn't Lawyer Milloy, it was Randy Moss. Or Ty Law. Or Richard Seymour. Or Deion Branch. Or Adam Vinatieri.3 At some point, Belichick might deserve the benefit of the doubt in these situations.

                This all shouldn't really be much of a surprise. Belichick has had two years to give Welker a long-term contract and hasn't expressed even the slightest bit of interest in doing so. Having reportedly been given the final shot at matching what most people characterize as a modest two-year deal from the Broncos, Belichick turned the opportunity down. The Patriots are not built on getting every last drop out of their older players until they can no longer go. They've been built by having one constant — Tom Brady — and otherwise relying on change. They're the team that drafted one guy with a bum back and another who couldn't stop smoking weed and turned them into the most devastating set of tight ends in league history, a one-two strategy that teams around the league have tried to emulate since. They're the team that bought low on Moss and went to a scheme with spread characteristics before anyone else in the league had the balls to do so. And they're the team that went after Welker when he was a backup on a bad offense and ended up getting 672 catches and five Pro Bowls of output before moving on. Welker will very likely play well in Denver, as he'll spend two years catching passes from Peyton Manning in an offense that might even suit him better than the one he's leaving. But the Patriots will do just fine without him. They always do.

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                • Glenbino
                  Jelly and Ice Cream
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 4994

                  #38
                  Originally posted by LiquidLarry2GhostWF
                  A rebuttle.

                  What is being talked about is that Welker is a superior player...there is nothing you could actually point to that would suggest otherwise. Speed is negligible...besides, the type of player needed in New England to play the Y spot doesn't need speed. Welker ran a low 4.6, Edelman runs a low 4.5, Amendola runs somewhere in the 4.5s.

                  More agile or shifty? Welker is the best in the business at working the slot...its more than agility and shiftiness, its about knowing the game of football...how to find the soft spot in the zone, coming out of breaks...considering Welker's unique role, he's proven a mastery of his craft. No one, not at the X, Z, or Welker's Y spot, has rivaled his production league wide...that tells me all I need to know about his skill set as it relates to his position.

                  AS for hands...funny you mention that...while you may look at his 15 drops on the season (a league high) and suggest his hands are "slipping"...I laugh at that, because Welker is still among the leagues best receivers in the league statistically...he still rates in the Top 10 in regards to catch percentage while being among the league leaders in not only catches but targets...the volume of drops (for reference, Brandon Marshall and Calvin Johnson came in 2nd and 3rd in the same category) is a by product of the sheer amount of balls thrown his way.

                  Comparing the deals...essentially the same deal. The difference between the two is negligible.

                  As for Wes Welker getting better...LOL, you realize he is the greatest Y receiver in the history of the game...there is no getting better.

                  New England is not a flawless team...sure, they have shown moxie by dropping ever-bums like David Givens and Deion Branch...however, they also let go the likes of Richard Seymour and Asante Samuel when they still had a ton left in the tank and have succeed elsewhere all the while New England has continued to try and address the positions that were left void by players like that. New England stays competitive because they have Tom Brady. FIN. Everything else is a by product of having one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time, and lets not forget, that New England hasn't actually done anything worth a damn since Spygate.

                  I have no doubt that Amendola can fill the role in some capacity left void by Wes Welker, but he's not better, he won't reproduce Welker's greatness no matter how white each guy is. But, he will produce, but lets not play it off like this is even close to a push. If New England re-signs Welker, he comes back, catches another 110 balls. We'll see how Amendola does.
                  I agree with everything here except for the deals being essentially the same.. There should be a pretty big difference in cap hits that Denver and New England will face in 2013 and 2014.

                  Also Welker's deal is fully guaranteed so he'll get the full $12 mil with a possible $3 mil roster bonus next year and $150,000 incentives for catching 90 passes in a season, which he should probably get to.

                  I couldn't find a yearly breakdown for Amendola's deal.

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                  • BigBucs
                    Unpretentious
                    • May 2009
                    • 12758

                    #39
                    Originally posted by ralaw
                    If healthy Amendola will match Welker's production, but as it has been mentioned this isn't going to make the Pats any better.
                    I dont see it. Catching 115 balls a season isnt something that happens year in and year out unless, unless you are Wes Welker.




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                    • MVPete
                      Old School
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 17500

                      #40

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                      • TheImmortalGoud
                        No longer a noob
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 1790

                        #41
                        Rotoworld

                        Updating a previous item, Danny Amendola's five-year Patriots contract is worth $27.7 million.

                        The deal was originally reported at an agent-inflated $31 million. Amendola wound up getting less money per year than Wes Welker, which further supports the notion that the Patriots signed Amendola before Welker left for Denver. The Patriots also smartly tied up $1.72 million of the deal in per-game roster bonuses, meaning injury-prone Amendola will have to stay healthy to get that money. His signing bonus is $6 million. Amendola gets $10 million guaranteed.
                        Patriots re-signed CB Kyle Arrington to a four-year, $16 million contract.

                        The deal includes $8.5 million guaranteed. With the Pats yet to re-sign Aqib Talib or find a viable replacement, they've re-upped a key piece of depth. Arrington has started at least 12 games each of the past three seasons, but struggled mightily in 2012 before being demoted to nickel back. He is one of the NFL's premier slot corners, but the Pats don't want to enter 2013 with Arrington on the outside. Considering the way the cornerback market has collapsed, Talib should be back soon enough. Arrington is making a lot to man the slot.
                        Patriots agreed to terms with WR Donald Jones, formerly of the Bills, on a three-year contract.

                        Jones was a restricted free agent who wasn't tendered by Buffalo. He's the second receiver the Pats have signed since letting Wes Welker walk, but unlike Danny Amendola, he won't be guaranteed a roster spot. Jones is still only 25, but has never been particularly productive. He has just 82 catches in 35 career games. Jones also has a long injury history, missing a combined 12 contests the past two seasons. He's in a better situation going from Ryan Fitzpatrick to Tom Brady, but is unlikely to be a major fantasy factor. Jones is a role-type player who blocks well and can function at multiple receiver spots.
                        Restricted free agent Emmanuel Sanders is visiting the Patriots on Friday.

                        Power move. Even low-level restricted free agents rarely escape their tendering team, but the Steelers find themselves in a mess of a cap situation. Sanders is tendered at the original-round level, which means the Patriots would only have to surrender a third-round pick if they signed him to an offer sheet Pittsburgh couldn't match. The Pats — as you may have heard — have a ton of cap room and could offer a front-loaded deal Pittsburgh can't equal. Just 26 years old (on Sunday) with 94 catches in three seasons, Sanders would be worth a third-round gamble. He can play all three receiver spots, and has 4.4 wheels.
                        ESPN's Adam Schefter reported on SportsCenter Friday that Brandon Lloyd is willing to return to the Patriots on a reduced contract.

                        Lloyd has a $3 million bonus due Saturday. "They signed Donald Jones, they have Emmanuel Sanders (at club headquarters), and they've gotta make a decision on Brandon Lloyd," Schefter explained. "He's got a $3 million roster bonus. Brandon Lloyd would like to work out a restructured deal. And the two sides, it is my understanding, have spoken about that. Brandon Lloyd could end up staying on in New England at some type of reduced deal."

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                        • Glenbino
                          Jelly and Ice Cream
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 4994

                          #42
                          I was wondering why more people weren't going after Sanders.

                          You're not going to find a guy in the 3rd round this year that will give you his production and the Steelers are so hard up against the cap that pretty much anything over the low tender they threw at him would cause them to have to let him walk.

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                          • TheImmortalGoud
                            No longer a noob
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 1790

                            #43
                            Rotoworld

                            Patriots agreed to terms with SS Adrian Wilson, formerly of the Cardinals, on a three-year contract.

                            Wilson was one of many veterans the Patriots hosted for a Friday visit. After grading out as Pro Football Focus' No. 2 safety in 2011, Wilson fell all the way to No. 59 in 2012 while being benched from Arizona's nickel defense midway through the season. 33-year-old Wilson is an in-the-box safety who will likely play early downs before being replaced by some combination of Steve Gregory and Tavon Wilson in passing situations. Wilson will probably be hailed as Bill Belichick's "next Rodney Harrison," but it's highly, highly unlikely he'll have 50 percent of that kind of impact.

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                            • Len B
                              :moonwalk:
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 13597

                              #44
                              $4 million for Kyle.. what the fuck.

                              Talib will be back, Lloyd will be back and I won't be shocked if they sign Sanders as well. They love loading up on WR heading into camp and letting the weakest link go.

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                              • TheImmortalGoud
                                No longer a noob
                                • Jan 2011
                                • 1790

                                #45
                                Rotoworld

                                Patriots re-signed CB Aqib Talib to a one-year, $5 million deal.

                                While there was initial talk Talib could wind up with the Redskins, he ultimately drew little interest in a down market for cornerbacks. Talib's one-year contract gives him the opportunity to put together a solid 2013 season and then potentially hit the market again in 2014.
                                Restricted free agent Emmanuel Sanders has signed an offer sheet with the Patriots.

                                The terms are not yet known, but the Steelers now have five days to match or let Sanders walk. Although "poison pill" offer sheets were outlawed in the new CBA, the Patriots have an abundance of 2013 cap room while the Steelers have next to none. It's quite possible the Pats have structured their offer in a way that would be difficult or impossible for the Steelers to match. If that's the case, Pittsburgh would receive New England's third-round pick as compensation since Sanders was tendered at the original-round level. It's an aggressive move by a Patriots team clearly intent on remaking its receiver corps, and an ominous development for a Pittsburgh club that's been shedding talent. Were Sanders to end up in New England, it would almost certainly signal an end to Brandon Lloyd's time with the team.
                                Patriots re-signed LB Niko Koutouvides to a one-year deal.

                                Koutouvides is a special teamer who played just nine defensive snaps last season. He did start one game for the Pats in 2011, but is unlikely to see more than a handful of plays at linebacker this upcoming season.

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