Jets Trade Revis To Bucs For 1st Rounder, 6y/$96m, No Guaranteed Money

[JBregz]

Not knocking Cromartie, but did he really? There was no Cromartie Island, just a good corner who did the best he could in the situation, IMO.

Yep, and all for only $2.5 mil. Is Revis 6 times the CB Cromartie is?

[BigBucs]

My nigga Mark Dominant!

But what if the only thing holding them back from contending was their pass defense? They were last in yards allowed last season, so it's plausible.

#1 is rush D, 31 in pass D.

[dave]

Yep, and all for only $2.5 mil. Is Revis 6 times the CB Cromartie is?

Honestly ... not sure, but that is a good cap number for Cromartie. I am not knocking the Jets for this trade, just don't know one way or the other if it's the right move.

[JBregz]

Honestly ... not sure, but that is a good cap number for Cromartie. I am not knocking the Jets for this trade, just don't know one way or the other if it's the right move.

If you could have Revis and 4 Fred Thomas' or 5 Cromarties on your team, what would you rather have?

[Tailback U]

My nigga Mark Dominant!



#1 is rush D, 31 in pass D.

Everyone knows those stats are overrated because they are related to each other.

Not only that, but this is a pass-first league and the Bucs play in perhaps the most pass happy division in the league. The Saints and Falcons don't even pretend to run the ball anymore. The Panthers dynamic duo of Stewart and Williams has all but disappeared as well.

The Bucs run D is ranked #1 because 8 of their games come against teams who don't run the ball, which is why they give up so many passing yards.

The Raiders had this same stat ranking a few years ago. The Bucs have some good players, and Goldson and Revis are great additions and upgrades, but they are a few more good players away from behind one of the league's best defenses. They really need an elite pass rusher.

[Nucking Futs]

If you could have Revis and 4 Fred Thomas' or 5 Cromarties on your team, what would you rather have?

4 - F.Thomas' of course...

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Eagles and Cowboys spent a fortune in money and effort and had 5 CBs that on paper have probowl potential. It amounted to doo doo squat as both teams watched other teams have field days on there secondary.
For me the bottom line is with that pick I'd take my chances on getting a stud player at a far more important position. Does anyone look at the Bucs and think oh my if only this team had CB they'd really raise hell?
Unless you're telling me Revis is going down the Woodson route (Charles or Rod pick one) and bringing vet leadership and solidifying the CB position now and FS in 2 years on a team verging on SB contention it's a huge gamble.

[Aso]

You brought up my point in your post lol. you don't need to spend 16 million dollars on CB's to win a championship, hell you don't even need good ones. You need a strong offense and a front 7 that can disrupt the QB and slow down the offense, so long as you have serviceable corners you're good to go. Bucs could have and should have went that route.

I don't understand how you aren't getting what I am saying.

So you're basically saying their is more than one way to build a roster that is just your preferred method... OK. I get it, it's just irrelevant to me.

To me if you can take out a teams top receiver and make a bunch of other players serviceable who otherwise wouldn't be, then it is worth it. You don't need great pass rushers either when you can put your guys on an island and blitz. That is definitely worth the 16 million to me.

[Aso]

Everyone knows those stats are overrated because they are related to each other.

Not only that, but this is a pass-first league and the Bucs play in perhaps the most pass happy division in the league. The Saints and Falcons don't even pretend to run the ball anymore. The Panthers dynamic duo of Stewart and Williams has all but disappeared as well.

The Bucs run D is ranked #1 because 8 of their games come against teams who don't run the ball, which is why they give up so many passing yards.

The Raiders had this same stat ranking a few years ago. The Bucs have some good players, and Goldson and Revis are great additions and upgrades, but they are a few more good players away from behind one of the league's best defenses. They really need an elite pass rusher.

Regardless of how much teams run or pass teams still averaged only 3.5 ypc against the Bucs and the Bucs led the league in tackles behind the line of scrimmage. No matter how you look at it Bucs run defense was damn good last season.

[Aso]

Yep, and all for only $2.5 mil. Is Revis 6 times the CB Cromartie is?

He signed a 4 year, 32 mil dollar contract.

2013: $840,000 (+ $6.16 million "signing" bonus + $2.3 million roster bonus due 3/12 + $200,000 workout bonus)

In 2013 he isn't scheduled to just make some 2.5 million. They are spending money on him too.

You know damn well after how he played last year (which was good) he will want more money after 2013. Wouldn't surprise me if he asked for an extension worth quite a bit of money if he plays similar to how he did last year.

[ralaw]

If Revis has a good season he is going to holdout for guaranteed money.

[JeremyHight]

First off, the Jets got a steal on the deal itself. Revis isn't worth a 1st and a 3rd, especially a top 15 pick. You can say otherwise, but a guy who has missed 17 games in the last 3 seasons, coming off of a significant knee injury, and has never shown to be committed to anything but money is not worth those picks. The Jets did well in that regard.

Second, the Bucs got a steal on the contract. No guaranteed money? Really? If Revis doesn't hold out for a new contract, they got a nice deal.

Finally, the CB position is the most overrated position on the field. A CB just plain cannot have the impact it once had. This is a passing league, QBs are going to beat certain CBs no matter what because of the rules and coaching that is so slanted towards the offensive side. I'd much rather invest in a top tier DL/OLB than a CB. A pass rush can make a defensive backfield look great, I don't know if the reverse is true any more.

[JBregz]

So you're basically saying their is more than one way to build a roster that is just your preferred method... OK. I get it, it's just irrelevant to me.

To me if you can take out a teams top receiver and make a bunch of other players serviceable who otherwise wouldn't be, then it is worth it. You don't need great pass rushers either when you can put your guys on an island and blitz. That is definitely worth the 16 million to me.

It's hard to take out top WR's at all now with the rules, plain and simple. Secondary is become less and less relevant as the years go by. Not worth the 16 mil, no way. I'll come back to this thread in about 7-8 months time to either chew my words or call you a dipshit, my money is on the latter of the two by the way.

[Warner2BruceTD]

If Revis has a good season he is going to holdout for guaranteed money.

Yup.

When you combine his holdout history with his injury issues with the idea that he arguably plays an overrated position, I don't touch this guy with a ten foot pole, and I take a 1st & 3rd and run if offered.

QB money for this guy? No thanks. Won't see year 3 of the deal, guaranteed. 50/50 he sees year 2.

[JeremyHight]

Yup.

When you combine his holdout history with his injury issues with the idea that he arguably plays an overrated position, I don't touch this guy with a ten foot pole, and I take a 1st & 3rd and run if offered.

QB money for this guy? No thanks. Won't see year 3 of the deal, guaranteed. 50/50 he sees year 2.

Exactly, but I say he'll see year 2 by about a 75% chance. They cannot give up a 1st and 3rd for a one year player. He might hold out, but he'll still see year 2. Year 3 will be the time he either holds out or is cut, no way does he stick with this deal.