Your teams Mount Rushmore

[Glenbino]

I believe Indy has the Baltimore Colts history and the Baltimore Ravens started fresh.

Ah, didn't know I was straying from the parameters by asking ralaw a question.

I'll try and not upset him again.

[Glenbino]

I believe Indy has the Baltimore Colts history and the Baltimore Ravens started fresh.

If I were an old Colts fan who had watched Unitas play his whole career in Baltimore I would be pretty upset if the actual Johhny U statue or whatever was thousands of miles from where he played his games FWIW.

Which is basically why I asked.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Unitas was a Colt. Not a Raven.

Dan Dierdorf is in the Rams ring of honor, which makes me angry. He's a Cardinal. His name should be in Arizona somewhere. He has nothing to do with the Rams franchise and seeing it next to Jackie Slater, Deacon Jones, Marshall Faulk, etc is silly.

I get annoyed by shit like this.

[Golden Taters]

If I were an old Colts fan who had watched Unitas play his whole career in Baltimore I would be pretty upset if the actual Johhny U statue or whatever was thousands of miles from where he played his games FWIW.

Which is basically why I asked.

Yeah I hear what you're saying. Just like I'm upset how Oklahoma City won the 1979 NBA championship.

Getting off topic, but I think records should stay with the city and not move with the teams.

[Glenbino]

Unitas was a Colt. Not a Raven.

Dan Dierdorf is in the Rams ring of honor, which makes me angry. He's a Cardinal. His name should be in Arizona somewhere. He has nothing to do with the Rams franchise and seeing it next to Jackie Slater, Deacon Jones, Marshall Faulk, etc is silly.

I get annoyed by shit like this.

But to the regional fans (and probably the players themselves) of those teams it probably means a lot more to see him honored in that region rather than by a group of people who never saw him play or actually rooted for him.

In that same vein is everyone from St. Louis who used to be a Cardinals fan and became a Rams fan a bandwagon jumper?

I don't subscribe to the regional fandom tether here that a lot of other posters do (and give me shit for) so I want to know how these people who only root for teams based on proximity feel about these issues.

[Tailback U]

Yeah I hear what you're saying. Just like I'm upset how Oklahoma City won the 1979 NBA championship.

Getting off topic, but I think records should stay with the city and not move with the teams.

I don't really agree in a case like the Oakland/LA Raiders. Especially since they ended up moving back to Oakland.

[Aso]

The absolute worst case is how the Browns became the Ravens. Yet the history for some reason didn't follow over even though it was the same team.

Somehow the new start-up browns in 1999 got the Browns history pre-1996.

What kind of bs is that?

The Browns from Start-1995 then Ravens 1996-present should all be the same in terms of history and stats and everything. While the 1999-present browns are an entirely different entity.

[BigBucs]

Selmon
Brooks
Sapp
Barber

[shag773]

Bill Walsh, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jerry Rice

I'd put Ronnie Lott over Young...

[shag773]

Tuggle
Nobis
Van Note
Andersen

Matt Ryan should supplant Morten within a few years. Vick warrants consideration as well for raising the profile of the franchise, even with how things ended.

No Keith Brooking?
What do you think about Roddy White?

And if you're going to add old school MFer's, you should consider the most awarded player in franchise history DE Claude Humphrey who has more pro-bowls and first team all-pro seasons than anybody else you got.

No, fuck Keith Brooking. Awful player in his latter years, and his inability to not bite on a play fake on 3rd and fucking 15 cost us a playoff game in his final season. Roddy is one of my favorite players but if we're considering this "era" Matt Ryan is going to be the enduring face of the franchise type.



Fine with him replacing Morten. Really should have considered Mike Kenn also.

I would also consider Steve Bartkowski, William Andrews, Alfred Jenkins, and Gerald Riggs

[ram29jackson]

Deacon Jones
Jack Youngblood
Isaac Bruce
Norm Van Brocklin

you have to have a long career and be on that team a majority of the time and even though there may have been players better for a season or more, remembered for being recent or even better stats career wise (Dickerson, Warner and a few others) these are the forefathers of those guys and set the standard. Isaac Bruce gets the nod for having a long successful career

and I want to even out offense and defense. A case can be made for Jim Everett who had a long career( 8 years is long enough in football on one team) and lots of success and stats on the Rams.

its an inexact science of wanting to hopefully incorporate all 3...history,success and being rembered. Bruce probably doesn't qualify but I want a mix of era's involved and he was consistant through the good and the bad.

http://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/st-louis-rams/alltime-receiving

http://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/st-louis-rams/alltime-passing

Packers
Lombardi
Favre
Nitschke
Don Hudson

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Really really surprised to see guys like Forrest Gregg, Willie Wood, Willie Davis, Jim Taylor, Ray Nitschke, etc passed over Leroy Butler and especially Reggie White.

Yeah, Butler was an awful choice. I liked Butler a lot growing up, but I'd have thought Herb Adderley or Willie Wood before Butler. I mean those guys are HOF'ers, had more awards, more championships, etc etc. I mean that's if you're going to take a DB, otherwise I think I'd go

Vince Lombardi
Bret Favre
Bart Starr
Don Hudson or Nitschke....flip a coin.

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

I don't remember seeing some teams represented here yet, so I'm just going to throw out a few rushmores for the unrepresented...

Oilers/Titans
Bruce Matthews
Earl Campbell
Jeff Fischer
Warren Moon

Bills
Bruce Smith
Jim Kelley
Thurman Thomas
OJ Simpson

[FirstTimer]

for all intents and purposes it is a correct observation. look at the stats for those 2 years. Davis sat him so he left the team.

I never questioned it's correctness...more like...relevance?

[Warner2BruceTD]

Deacon Jones
Jack Youngblood
Isaac Bruce
Norm Van Brocklin

you have to have a long career and be on that team a majority of the time and even though there may have been players better for a season or more, remembered for being recent or even better stats career wise (Dickerson, Warner and a few others) these are the forefathers of those guys and set the standard. Isaac Bruce gets the nod for having a long successful career

and I want to even out offense and defense. A case can be made for Jim Everett who had a long career( 8 years is long enough in football on one team) and lots of success and stats on the Rams.

its an inexact science of wanting to hopefully incorporate all 3...history,success and being rembered. Bruce probably doesn't qualify but I want a mix of era's involved and he was consistant through the good and the bad.

I have no real problem with the four Rams you picked. I think Deacon Jones & Isaac Bruce would be locks, as Jones is generally recognized as the best player in franchise history, and Bruce is a beloved, iconic figure to modern fans. The other two are fine, but I feel stronger about Youngblood than Van Brocklin. Van Brocklin is best known by some for his Eagles days, so Bob Waterfield may be the better choice if you are going back to the 40's/50's.

I disagree on your Jim Everett point. Sure, he was on the team for a decade and was a nice player for about half that time, but even though he was there for a shorter overall period somebody like Kurt Warner is far more iconic to the franchise than Everett. Or Waterfield, for that matter.

And I think you'd have to make room for Marshall Faulk somehow.

The Rams are loaded. Haven't even mentioned Merlin Olsen, Torry Holt, Jackie Slater, Orlando Pace, Eric Dickerson, Steven Jackson, Nolan Cromwell, Henry Ellard, Crazy Legs Hirsch, Tom Fears, etc.

I think there are two ways to do this. Either go with the Fearsome Foursome like I suggested earlier in the thread, or go with Warner, Bruce, Holt, & Faulk to rep the Greatest Show. Otherwise, it's an impossible task. Maybe group one for LA, group two for St Louis.