I bet you didn't see this coming...

[Mogriffjr]

But Freeman is being benched for Mike Glennon.

[f16harm]

I think Schiano is a douche and terrible coach, but you can't blame him on this decision.

45.7 % completions, more interceptions than touchdowns, 59.3 rating, 0-3 record.

[Woy]

http://www.virtualsportsnetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?102268-Josh-Freeman-vs-Mark-Sanchez

Hilarious thread to look at in hindsight. Guess Warner was right when he said that Freeman would never match his 2010 numbers, but I think we all knew that. :bigbucs:

[RyanLeaf16]

Everyone in Tampa saw it coming. Prior to the season people were holding Josh Freeman "Death Watch" pools on when he would be benched. Schiano wanted to trade for Carson Palmer this off-season. Glennon is Schiano's guy and he is going to go down in glorious fashion with this choice.

Any Bucs fans miss Jon Gruden yet?

[f16harm]

Everyone in Tampa saw it coming. Prior to the season people were holding Josh Freeman "Death Watch" pools on when he would be benched. Schiano wanted to trade for Carson Palmer this off-season. Glennon is Schiano's guy and he is going to go down in glorious fashion with this choice.

Any Bucs fans miss Jon Gruden yet?

Still always posting in Buc threads and passign along "local Bucs info". Sure glad you are "no longer a fan and don't care about them."

[RyanLeaf16]

http://www.virtualsportsnetwork.com/...s-Mark-Sanchez

Hilarious thread to look at in hindsight. Guess Warner was right when he said that Freeman would never match his 2010 numbers, but I think we all knew that. :bigbucs:

Remember when Freeman was drafted and I said he would be dog-shit? I do.

[RyanLeaf16]

Still always posting in Buc threads and passign along "local Bucs info". Sure glad you are "no longer a fan and don't care about them."

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware I had to check in with you before I posted. Wasn't aware I couldn't post in a thread about NFL news. All I did was give the local run on what is being said down here. Just pointing out it wasn't a shock.

I see your still looking for any post I make to try and take a jab. Good to see you still are more worried about making comments on my post than your own.

[f16harm]

Remember when Freeman was drafted and I said he would be dog-shit? I do.

No, please provide posts.

[Guest]

[RyanLeaf16]

No, please provide posts.

From 9/4/2009 on OS

Freeman blows. I could care less if he was good in Madden. If anything he was overrated and should have a lower potential rating.

link: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...m-angry-2.html

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From May 8th 2009 on VSN and my take on the Freeman pick.

17. Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State
Awful pick. The 2009 quarterback class was less than stellar and filled with underclassmen. This pick seemed to be a pick of desperation. By default, Freeman is now a franchise quarterback - not because of his skill, but, because of his draft position.

Link: http://www.virtualsportsnetwork.com/...t=josh+freeman

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From May 19th, 2009 in the same thread...

1. I will have to respectfully disagree with you about the Freeman pick. While you say that there was no value in our needs, it still does not justify taking such a "boom or bust" player at the quarterback position. Quarterback is the hardest position to play in the game of football and therefore requires much more development time. Thus, it requires that the organization give Freeman even more time than a typical rookie in the hopes that he will develop. All the while, we could be passing up better quarterback prospects because we still don't know what we have with Freeman. I tend to think of Freeman in the same way that you think about Kyle Moore. HYPE. We are not going to make much noise this year. I would have been more comfortable going with McCown or Leftwich for a season and taking a quarterback next in next year's class.

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From July 31, 2009

Whatever, Sunshine is digging his own grave with Tito.

*Please note that I often referred to Morris and Freeman as Sunshine and Tito and if you don't believe me, you can suck a cock.

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From September 27, 2009

I'm not even saying this team would win with Gruden, but, a lot of these guys were here with Gruden and he got them to 9-7 in back-to-back seasons and had them competitive. Morris can't even get these guys to compete. Think about this...Morris can't even get a decent defensive unit together to play fundamental football like keeping their gap assignments, proper tackle technique, etc. And that is on the defense. He does not have an offensive background and he said he would take Josh Freeman 1st overall in the draft if he had the opportunity.

Just some perspective for you all to realize what a dark road this team is going down.

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From October 28, 2009

This is a response to a post that stated he was announced as the new starter

Josh Freeman fuckin' sucks

Link: http://www.virtualsportsnetwork.com/...t=josh+freeman

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From November 8, 2009 (same thread)

It's not about "I told you so." I did nothing but warn people about Raheem and after the first game, everyone was ready to write me off and say I was nothing but a Gruden lover. Look at the body of work since the Dallas game.

All I said was Freeman was not overly impressive. He wasn't awful either. But, we have seen this song and dance before with young quarterbacks and they often have some success early due to a lack of tape for the other teams to watch. As soon as teams get some film on a kid, the production tends to drop. Fact is, he wasn't that impressive. Gradkowski was waaaay more impressive in his debut and he ended up faltering. I stand by what I said and if Freeman proves me wrong, I will admit it, as I have done before - I'm not ashamed to say I'm wrong - I'm just not going to let a average performance WOW me based off the fact that he is a rookie.

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From November 9, 2009 (same thread)

Look at Mark Sanchez and how he started the season to the body of work he has put together since. He experienced some early success and then hit a wall as soon as NFL teams had some tape on him. All I'm saying is that Freeman played better than I had expected, which I already said in an earlier post in the gameday thread, but, I wouldn't be shocked to see him regress a little. Tony Banks threw 3 touchdowns in his NFL debut too...some of you guys are just the opposite. You have a hard-on to try and prove people wrong that you start making arguments after one game.

Same Bucs fans that were calling me a hater after week 1 when I said don't be fooled by the score and the stats against Dallas were nowhere to be found the following 6 weeks. I'll wait to see what he does over a significant stretch of games before I start annointing him a savior.

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This is from Yawkey Way on October 12, 2009

Leaf, you should create one huge thread breaking down everything you hate about the Bucs. Most of your posts about them are usually pretty accurate/a good lead.

Link: http://www.virtualsportsnetwork.com/...t=josh+freeman

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Same thread, same day as above

I second this statement. Leaf knows his stuff and I would like to see what he exactly feels about the Bucs.

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From August 3, 2009

I would never compare Tito to Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan actually has talent. Tito just has a bazooka for an arm and is big. Somehow, people tend to think that = franchise quarterback.

Link: http://www.virtualsportsnetwork.com/...t=josh+freeman

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From August 4, 2009 (same thread)

I will go ahead and state my case...again...as to why Freeman is not a franchise quarterback:

- His career completion percentage in college is below 60%

- 34 career INTs in 35 career games against college defenses. I can only imagine what those numbers will be against more complex/better/faster defenses at the NFL level

- Freeman's 2008 numbers were inflated due to the piss-poor defenses he faced in the Big XII and OOC

- Accuracy is a concern

- His completion percentage was up and down from 51% to 63% to 58%

- 8 of Freeman's 20 TDs last season came against North Texas, Montana State and Louisiana-Lafayette. Against vaunted Big XII defenses: 12 TDs and 8 INTs

None of those above facts yell "first round pick" to me. My problem is with the pick. I have a very strong opinion regarding the pick and I do not think this kid is a franchise quarterback. However, due to his draft posotion, we now have to make him a franchise quarterback by default. He just doesn't have the skills and it will be the nail in the coffin for Sunshine and Mark Dominik. This pick screams desperation. It reeks of trying to keep up with the elite franchises of the league. They are shoving this kid down our throat and all he can really offer is a big arm and big size. His does not impress me with his intelligence and his arrogance, which should not be confused with confidence, is nauseating. Claiming he is better than Sanchez and Stafford when he wasn't even better than them in college!?!?! WTF???

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From May 16, 2009 in a thread started by RyneCandy asking what teams will be in need of a QB in 3 years

Tampa Bay

Link: http://www.virtualsportsnetwork.com/...t=josh+freeman

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From June 17, 2009

I wouldn't hold my breath. This is from boys upstairs who want their "prized" piece of shit quarterback on the field. Funny thing is, the Glazers - whom I once had a ton of respect for - think that this is what the fans want. They think that just because this kid was drafted in the 1st round - that he's a franchise guy and they think it is going to make the fans come together and blindly throw down money for season tickets. Well, the Glazers have done all they can to get people to buy tickets this season. They have lowered prices, waived the deposit fees, offered mini-plans, offered payment plans, etc. and it has not had an effect. This kid is not the savior and he'll set us back for years down the road. Forcing him on the field early will only speed up the bust label that he'll hold down the road.

Link: http://www.virtualsportsnetwork.com/...t=josh+freeman

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Draft Day 2009

It was down to Davis and Freeman. They made the wrong choice. If anyone from MM remembers the day Caddy was drafted - that's how I feel.

Link: http://www.virtualsportsnetwork.com/...t=josh+freeman

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Also on Draft Day 2009

When it comes time to make our pick, we decide to add Josh Freeman to bring our quarterback total to 5 and have yet to address our issues with a pass-rusher or beef up the secondary.

Great fuckin' direction to go in 'Heem! You should've just let Bates take his guy at #19 instead of trading up for a guy who will be a bust.

Link: http://www.virtualsportsnetwork.com/...t=josh+freeman

[f16harm]

I would give you thanks for your efforts, but you get a groan for not recognizing my sarcasm/trolling. So we'll call it a wash.

[RyanLeaf16]

I would give you thanks for your efforts, but you get a groan for not recognizing my sarcasm/trolling. So we'll call it a wash.

Our relationship has been acrimonious, at best, so I assumed you were genuine in your request for proof. My bad.

[Guest]

I would give you thanks for your efforts, but you get a groan for not recognizing my sarcasm/trolling. So we'll call it a wash.

You can leave both Thanks and Groans if you wish.

[MVPete]

This guy will look like a superstar if he throws for 250 yards. Really crazy that Freeman let it get to this point.

[Nevermind]

Any Bucs fans miss Jon Gruden yet?

Yes