NFL to eliminate extra point?

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

the proposed rule is stupid. its a half measure. they need to eliminate the xp and make teams go for two. thats a full measure

Fuck going "for two"...extra points should be running a play, from the two yard line for ONE point. Two point conversions moved back to the five yard line if you're getting rid of the kick.

[Warner2BruceTD]

XP's are way too easy because no player besides the long snapper, placeholder, and kicker give a fuck. Watch any XP and every down lineman just stands up at the snap and lets it happen.

Much like field goals...get rid of "roughing the kicker"...let the players actually play and try to make a play...if they even breathe on a kicker and they flop, they'll get called for it...risk =/= reward, so they just stand up at the snap and give'em the kick uncontested.

A lot of that are the rules they have now about stacking the sides evenly, no contact with the center, running & jumping, etc. You are absolutely right.

I don't understand this need to protect the kickers. Where was I during this injured kicker epidemic?

[Maynard]

Fuck going "for two"...extra points should be running a play, from the two yard line for ONE point. Two point conversions moved back to the five yard line if you're getting rid of the kick.

1 point is fine with me. just get rid of the xp kick. an xp play is fine and makes sense. the proposed rule is just idiotic though

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

A lot of that are the rules they have now about stacking the sides evenly, no contact with the center, running & jumping, etc. You are absolutely right.

I don't understand this need to protect the kickers. Where was I during this injured kicker epidemic?

No contact with the long snapper is a legit rule change, especially in a league that is promoting head trauma awareness.

However, not allowing the LaVar Leap or not allowing the rushers to bend the corner and accelerate toward the kicker is pretty ridiculous.

Watch a kick from the 60s or 70s...slower developing plays. Kickers are so advanced now, the snap and kick happen almost instantaneously. For a defender to accelerate out of his stance, get around a defender and break toward the point to make contact with the ball causing a block takes more time than give in the first place (we're talking a total of 2-3 seconds for all this shit to happen)...adding the caveat of "don't hit the kicker or be fined and penalized" is ridiculous and just basically tells defenders to stand up and walk to the sideline.

[Aso]

1 point is fine with me. just get rid of the xp kick. an xp play is fine and makes sense. the proposed rule is just idiotic though

Why is the proposed rule idiotic though? I don't understand how it's a half measure. It keeps things exactly as they are in terms of how the points play out just without the kick. You're getting rid of one meaningless play. Thats all the rules does. Thats its purpose.

[spursup]

Get rid of the XP kick, but instead of going back to six if you fail, you should stay at seven. This way teams have nothing to lose by going for that eighth point, and it would be attempted more often, thus creating more exciting plays.
Exciting plays = viewers
Viewers = ratings
Ratings = $$ which has been the main priority of the NFL for a long time.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Why is the proposed rule idiotic though? I don't understand how it's a half measure. It keeps things exactly as they are in terms of how the points play out just without the kick. You're getting rid of one meaningless play. Thats all the rules does. Thats its purpose.

Yeah, the article makes it sound more complicated than it is.

It's take the free point (which is essentially the same as they do now at 99.9%), or go for two. It isn't complicated, it's just eliminating the kick.

I'm curious if the player scoring the TD would get credit for a full 7 if they bypass the kick, or credit for 6 with the extra point being scored as a "team" point like they do with some safeties.

[Apocalypse]

Solid idea, hopefully something comes of it.

[Aso]

Get rid of the XP kick, but instead of going back to six if you fail, you should stay at seven. This way teams have nothing to lose by going for that eighth point, and it would be attempted more often, thus creating more exciting plays.
Exciting plays = viewers
Viewers = ratings
Ratings = $$ which has been the main priority of the NFL for a long time.

In that scenario every team would be going for a two point conversion every single time. I could live with that if they moved it back to the 5. When it comes to this topic I kind of have the "if it's not broke don't fix it" mindset which is why I really like the proposal. Nothing wrong with change but I don't want the XP play to end up becoming gimmicky or weird or something that seems like it would come from the AFL.

I also like how the points end up adding up in todays NFL. A 16-14 game after both teams score two TD's would kind of bother me. I feel like that sort of thing would become the regular.

[spursup]

In that scenario every team would be going for a two point conversion every single time. I could live with that if they moved it back to the 5. When it comes to this topic I kind of have the "if it's not broke don't fix it" mindset which is why I really like the proposal. Nothing wrong with change but I don't want the XP play to end up becoming gimmicky or weird or something that seems like it would come from the AFL.

I also like how the points end up adding up in todays NFL. A 16-14 game after both teams score two TD's would kind of bother me. I feel like that sort of thing would become the regular.

You're right here, I probably should've said this is what the NFL probably will do because of the last line of my original post. The NFL has become just a big scramble for money. I do like the original proposal though.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Forcing the 2-pt attempt on every conversion would fundamentally change the entire balance of the sport. I don't see a need for that. The goal here should be to eliminate the useless play, not make a change that greatly alters the game.

[spursup]

Forcing the 2-pt attempt on every conversion would fundamentally change the entire balance of the sport. I don't see a need for that. The goal here should be to eliminate the useless play, not make a change that greatly alters the game.

It wouldn't force teams to try the 2-pt conversion every time. They could still opt out of it, they just wouldn't be dropped to six if they failed.

[Aso]

It wouldn't force teams to try the 2-pt conversion every time. They could still opt out of it, they just wouldn't be dropped to six if they failed.

But under those rules you would have nothing to lose by going for it so if those were the rules every team would be going for the 2 pt conversion because you would have no reason not to. Thats why the drop to 6 points is so important.

[spursup]

Or like you said move it back to the 5 or 10 yd line.

The more I read though the more I begin to agree that no drop couldn't work.

[dave]

Instead of an XP kick, make every XP the 2-point try. That might be interesting. That said, I agree the current XP is boring and needs to be changed.