Lets talk about Tom Brady

[Aso]

I feel like Terry Bradshaw has got to be the toughest QBs to place when it comes to these lists. I think people discredit what he's done because of his supporting cast but with that supporting cast he did help bring 4 Superbowls to the city of Pittsburgh. This is before my time and I'll admit I've barely seen Bradshaw play but he was up their statistically year in and year out one of the best as a passer in a run-first offense, right?

Where exactly does Bradshaw belong? I'd say after Marino, Montana, and Peyton but I feel he did more than Aikman did looking at it in a purely statistical sense.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Too many teirs for me. I'll likely number them similarly to what you're posting but to me they're all in that same pool.

Marino Montana Manning Elway Unitas Graham have compelling arguments that Brady for my own personal taste can't crack. He's never been in the argument for goat. These guys all gave legit cases Brady doesn't neither do the rest of that group and all have some stupendous accomplishments to hold over the others head.

Fuck Marino.

Montana, Elway, Manning, Brady, Unitas in dat #top5. Can't compare non-modern era QBs like Otto to these guys.

Brady is a two time NFL MVP, won offensive player of the year, All-Decade QB (ahead of Manning, FWIW), All-Pros, Pro Bowls, Super Bowls, Super Bowl MVPs, led the league in yards and touchdowns. Career 3:1 TD:INT ratio. The guy has a resume rivaled by basically...no one outside of his peers.

[EmpireWF]

If Welker doesn't drop the pass in the SB two years ago, Pats almost definitely win and then who are we talking about as a playoff failure?

[Houston]

The Giants?

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Fuck Marino.

Montana, Elway, Manning, Brady, Unitas in dat #top5. Can't compare non-modern era QBs like Otto to these guys.

Brady is a two time NFL MVP, won offensive player of the year, All-Decade QB (ahead of Manning, FWIW), All-Pros, Pro Bowls, Super Bowls, Super Bowl MVPs, led the league in yards and touchdowns. Career 3:1 TD:INT ratio. The guy has a resume rivaled by basically...no one outside of his peers.

3 SBs as a role player.
2 superbowl losses having the significantly better team ,and multiple Championship game losses while almost always having the better team.
He fits perfectly with guys like Favre etc on the next tier.
Unlike Manning who was always a dominant QB , Bradys impressive years dont begin until after the rule changes.

As for Marino pretty unanimously the best pure passer to ever play the position. Much like Gale Sayers when a guy establishes himself as the best "pure" guy at his position and puts up the individual accolades to back it up its too difficult to take that away. Im not going to punch a guy for putting Sayers in there top 5 and I think Marinos case is better.

If Welker doesn't drop the pass in the SB two years ago, Pats almost definitely win and then who are we talking about as a playoff failure?

If that dope doesnt allow Flacco that stupid hail mary Manning is likely going for b2b superbowls on this second team. If Adam Vinitieri is Matt Bahr Brady is an also ran. If Matt Bahr is Adam Viniteri Jim Kelly may be No1 or 2 on this list.

We can play the if game all day.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Tom Brady was never a role player.

NEVER.

He was leading the league in passing yards and touchdowns during this era of being a "role player"...stop being silly.

As for your Sayers comparison to Marino...I wouldn't put Sayers in the Top 5 RBs of all-time either...so...

Marino was a pretty shit QB in the playoffs.

[Glenbino]

Tom Terrific is no longer young enough to do it without help. If Wilfork, Gronk, Hernandez, Mayo, etc are playing in that game the Broncos would have had a game on their hands. Didn't hurt that the Broncos are one of the healthiest teams in the playoffs.

That's laughable...

We lost both our best tackle, best pass rusher, two best run stuffing d-lineman, best nickel corner, two centers and starting free safety.

Not to mention playing stretches without Julius Thomas, DRC, Champ Bailey, Orlando Franklin and Wes Welker.

This team was held together because of a couple of great QBs, one in the huddle and the other in the owner's box.

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[PP]

As we discuss Tom I would like to point out that this clearly shows that one man doesn't win a championship not matter how good he is. Superbowls are won by teams. It is damn hard to win in the NFL.

[NAHSTE]

Since we like to treat football as an individual sport played by the two QBs head to head, Brady has lost to the following QBs since his last Super Bowl...

Eli (twice)
Peyton (twice)
Flacco (twice)
Sanchez
Plummer

... #notelite

[ram29jackson]

3 SBs as a role player.
2 superbowl losses having the significantly better team ,and multiple Championship game losses while almost always having the better team.
He fits perfectly with guys like Favre etc on the next tier.
Unlike Manning who was always a dominant QB , Bradys impressive years dont begin until after the rule changes.

As for Marino pretty unanimously the best pure passer to ever play the position. Much like Gale Sayers when a guy establishes himself as the best "pure" guy at his position and puts up the individual accolades to back it up its too difficult to take that away. Im not going to punch a guy for putting Sayers in there top 5 and I think Marinos case is better.





If that dope doesnt allow Flacco that stupid hail mary Manning is likely going for b2b superbowls on this second team. If Adam Vinitieri is Matt Bahr Brady is an also ran. If Matt Bahr is Adam Viniteri Jim Kelly may be No1 or 2 on this list.

We can play the if game all day.

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Tom Brady was never a role player.

NEVER.

He was leading the league in passing yards and touchdowns during this era of being a "role player"...stop being silly.

As for your Sayers comparison to Marino...I wouldn't put Sayers in the Top 5 RBs of all-time either...so...

Marino was a pretty shit QB in the playoffs.

No he was not. He led the league with a pedestrian 28 tds never led in anything else until rule changes . Brady was never the catalyst and asked to win games the way he was in his later years or the way those other guys did there whole careers. Not throwing INTs and setting up FGs against teams you have illegal footage of is the definition of role playing.
Going into a game knowing you are going to be the difference between winning and losing didn't come about until much later and he hasnt won it since despite having superior teams.

Marino was lighting up the NFL from the get go setting all time records from the minute he got into the league. Most accurate arm and best pure passer ever. I know hes a post season flop but before I even get to the post season you have to impress me with individual efforts performances and feats in the regular season. Brady just doesnt do it for me when hes the biggest beneficiary of the no touch em league.

[Aso]

Tom Brady was never a role player.

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Tom Brady was never a role player.

He was end of story.
If you think his role on his team in 2007 was the same as 2001 , and being asked not to lose games is the same as being asked to consistently win them then nothing I say is going to convince you. Ironically this was mentioned numerous times on NFLN during the week.

[Aso]

He was end of story.
If you think his role on his team in 2007 was the same as 2001 , and being asked not to lose games is the same as being asked to consistently win them then nothing I say is going to convince you. Ironically this was mentioned numerous times on NFLN during the week.

I never said it was the same. He was asked to win games for the Patriots. 2001 season he had 5 game winning drives. 2003 he had 7 game winning drives. In those 2 seasons 12 of their 25 wins came on the arm of Tom Brady on the final drive.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

No he was not. He led the league with a pedestrian 28 tds never led in anything else until rule changes . Brady was never the catalyst and asked to win games the way he was in his later years or the way those other guys did there whole careers. Not throwing INTs and setting up FGs against teams you have illegal footage of is the definition of role playing.
Going into a game knowing you are going to be the difference between winning and losing didn't come about until much later and he hasnt won it since despite having superior teams.

Marino was lighting up the NFL from the get go setting all time records from the minute he got into the league. Most accurate arm and best pure passer ever. I know hes a post season flop but before I even get to the post season you have to impress me with individual efforts performances and feats in the regular season. Brady just doesnt do it for me when hes the biggest beneficiary of the no touch em league.

You're on stupid pills right now.

Brady was #6 in the league in yards, #1 in TDs in 02, his second year as a starter, #6 again in yards, 10 in TDs in 03, 10 in yards, 6 in TDs, #1 in yards in 05, #3 in TDs.

Top 10 statistical QB in football (I'd say Top 5 during that stretch cumulative) from the minute he stepped foot on the field. That isn't a role player under anyone's definition. Couple it with 8 fourth quarter comebacks and 16 game winning drives from 02-05 (only Peyton Manning had more during that time period) and an UNRIVALED playoff performer on an all-time scale during this era, you have just about gone full retard to say he was a role player.

Marino couldn't get it done when it mattered...fin. No QB in the history of the game has more empty playoff statistics and he already had a shitty playoff performance to begin with, but the statistics he DID accumulate came during time no one gave a fuck about.

Brady > Marino, and it ain't even close. They aren't even playing the same sport.