The NFL announces CBS will broadcast Thursday Night Football and two Saturday games

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  • Maynard
    stupid ass titles
    • Feb 2009
    • 17876

    #31
    Originally posted by NAHSTE
    Wait, do you not have NFL Network or something? It wasn't that bad, just the camera work was shoddy.
    no, i dont have NFL network cause i just get the basic analog signal that comes with the internet service. I dumped cable about 2 years ago cause it wasnt worth it.

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    • Youk
      Posts too much
      • Feb 2009
      • 7998

      #32
      Originally posted by Maynard
      no, i dont have NFL network cause i just get the basic analog signal that comes with the internet service. I dumped cable about 2 years ago cause it wasnt worth it.
      So you're complaining about the quality of the broadcast, yet you have to stream it to watch it.

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      • Glenbino
        Jelly and Ice Cream
        • Nov 2009
        • 4994

        #33
        Originally posted by NAHSTE
        As someone who just paid his 6th installment for last season, this question kept me up a bit last night. What the fuck am I really getting out of it? I watch my team at 1 which prevents me from watching much else aside from commercial breaks (of which there are plenty, sure) ... then there are but two or three total games on at 4pm each week, almost all of them involving the Raiders or Cardinals.

        Originally posted by KINGOFOOTBALL
        What am I paying 300$ to DTV for again ?
        Yep... Not to mention the way the price went up this year despite dropping the ability to watch on the PS3.

        I'm pretty close to going to streams for the NFL for the first time in my life.

        Sent from my HTC6500LVW using Tapatalk

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        • NAHSTE
          Probably owns the site
          • Feb 2009
          • 22233

          #34
          Originally posted by Glenbino
          Yep... Not to mention the way the price went up this year despite dropping the ability to watch on the PS3.

          I'm pretty close to going to streams for the NFL for the first time in my life.

          Sent from my HTC6500LVW using Tapatalk
          It's just not fun to do that every week, too much effort and unreliability. Did that for a few seasons but it gets old. I don't know what I'm gonna do next season but I think the sports bar method will come cheaper and more enjoyable than paying through the nose again or streaming every week.

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          • Maynard
            stupid ass titles
            • Feb 2009
            • 17876

            #35
            Originally posted by Youk
            So you're complaining about the quality of the broadcast, yet you have to stream it to watch it.
            no sugar tits. i dont like mayock and as a preference, i would rather not listen to him. so in regards to quality its about the broadcast....im not talking about the quality of the stream moron

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            • Youk
              Posts too much
              • Feb 2009
              • 7998

              #36
              Originally posted by Maynard
              no sugar tits. i dont like mayock and as a preference, i would rather not listen to him. so in regards to quality its about the broadcast....im not talking about the quality of the stream moron
              Debatable.

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              • Houston
                Back home
                • Oct 2008
                • 21231

                #37
                Originally posted by BigBucs
                You dont watch sports anyway.
                For the time being I don't. I decided to boycott the NFL until Josh Freeman gets a starting spot.

                Let me know when I can give it up.

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                • NAHSTE
                  Probably owns the site
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 22233

                  #38
                  Good write up from Awful Announcing on the NFL's scorched earth policy:

                  Nearly four years ago, Roger Goodell outlined a rather audacious annual revenue goal of $25 billion by 2027 to NFL owners, his de-facto employers. At the time, the NFL was doing about $8.5 billion annually meaning that Goodell was hoping to raise revenue $1 billion a year for 18 years to hit the mark. Surprisingly, Read more...


                  Nearly four years ago, Roger Goodell outlined a rather audacious annual revenue goal of $25 billion by 2027 to NFL owners, his de-facto employers. At the time, the NFL was doing about $8.5 billion annually meaning that Goodell was hoping to raise revenue $1 billion a year for 18 years to hit the mark. Surprisingly, with the help of recently renegotiated television deals as well as the new CBS Thursday Night partnership, the NFL is on track. Not bad for a non profit organization right?

                  There are a lot of interesting things to ponder in light of the NFL's latest big step towards the goal with a shrewdly conceived gameplan on the Thursday night front but what sticks out to me is just how brilliantly efficient and aggressive the NFL is becoming as a business. As a fan, some of this is troubling but as a guy who just started watching syndicated programming on CNBC, it's damn impressive.

                  When I heard the revenue goal back in 2010, I thought it was insane. Inflation would help, media rights would help, but there was a huge gap from getting from under $9 billion all the way to $25 billion. Ticket holders would revolt at some point, the media companies would too, and at some point there wouldn't be any more treasure maps for the NFL to pull out to start digging for revenue.

                  And yet the NFL is on pace to reach that goal and the snowballing revenue rolls over whoever it wants. The networks are paying up, advertisers are too, ticket prices rise while blackouts decline, and there is no end in sight.

                  It's not only that the NFL is monetizing the league with brutal efficiency with seemingly 2-3 huge deals or new partnerships a year, but the fact that they're basically doing so in an authoritative way that makes any prospective billion dollar brand, media entity, or "partner" into beggars.

                  Whether it's Coors getting dropped for Anheuser Busch, Sprint getting replaced with almost no notice for an exclusive mobile video partnership with Verizon (that obviously irked television partners), a lockout that caused a lot of headlines but improved margins and lost virtually no significant revenue, the victory of a nearly decade long fight with Time Warner Cable over carriage of NFL Network, or settling a PR nightmare class action concussion lawsuit for a dime on the dollar, the NFL steamrolls through any process, entity, or challenge that presents itself always coming out unharmed and more powerful.

                  The visual imagery to best mimic the NFL's dominance is the T-Rex in Jurassic Park accompanied by the Imperial March music from Star Wars.



                  The NFL's rumored extension with DirecTV for Sunday Ticket as well as the recent CBS deal are particularly interesting case studies in the league's ability to create new revenue.

                  DTV has had Sunday Ticket since its launch in 1994. To drive up bidding on the package, the NFL had a bit of a dilemma as major cable companies operate mostly regionally. Other than Dish, who would never pay over a billion dollars for an exclusive deal, the NFL's only real option was to create the illusion of other exclusive partner options. The other alternative would be to offer it to all the cable companies non-exclusively, which certainly would get the product in more households but hurt the amount of revenue the league would get as the exclusivity factor is what DTV or anyone else pays a premium to get.

                  So the NFL embarked on a half-hearted guise to give the illusion that DTV could lose the exclusive package. The NFL was meeting with Google, the NFL was meeting Apple, the NFL was meeting with Netflix. It made sense..... kind of. These companies had money, were forward thinking, and could figure out the distribution if need be. The media clamored over such a possibility while fans scratched their heads. The possibility was exciting to some, but it would be quite a change of course for a relationship that has worked well for 20 years.

                  And then boom, DTV upped their number and allegedly are not far off from announcing an extension with the league. Competitive bidding is always wise to any seller of a service but the nuanced leverage of the media's appetite for the "digital" option is what really got this extension done, or nearly done. Meanwhile NFL RedZone eats into the uniqueness of Sunday Ticket as well as the broadcast partnerships with Fox and CBS as millions of fans are no longer watching commercials with their football.

                  Fox, CBS, and DTV are not only paying more while their offering gets diluted by the widely distributed NFL Redzone, but are/were seeing similar dilution from the growing Thursday Night package of games. What started as 8 games in 2006 is now 16 games and while it's been a bit heavy handed, you have to be impressed with what the NFL has done here.

                  The sole purpose of the Thursday Night package was to pump distribution of the NFL Network, which fluttered for quite some time. Lawsuits with Comcast and Dish and a prolonged stalemate with Time Warner ensued. Out of the woods but not yet over the hump (with Time Warner) in 2011, the NFL was reported to be leaning towards increasing the Thursday Night Package to 16 games and having half of the package being bid on by cable networks.

                  The league was reported to be looking for nearly $600 million a year and Turner, NBCSN, and FX were all lusting after the package.

                  But the NFL had an epiphany. If they actually did increase the Thursday night slate of games, but kept it on NFL Network for a little while they could a) break the backs of Time Warner and other holdouts with the additional games being too much programming to boycott b) raise their carriage fees across the board.

                  And all went according to plan. So was it time now to squeeze some more money out of this tired group of mostly crappy games?

                  Yes, and once again networks lined up ready to do anything to bring the NFL onto their Thursday primetime lineups. But the NFL knew that removing any amount of games from the network would and could cause future issues to NFL Network's fees. What to do......

                  Hence the new CBS deal. NFL Network still has games on the network, the games get broader distribution (nearly 45 million more households), the NFL gets reportedly between $250-$300 million a year, and by outsourcing production to CBS, the league will also have cost savings associated with production and on air talent costs.

                  The best part about this deal? It's a one year contract with an option for the NFL to do a second year and again, it's quite genius.

                  If cable and satellite companies complain about NFL Network's price over the next 2 years in any extension talks, the league has this ambiguous alibi that they don't know how many games will be on the network either exclusively or simulcasted. Should miraculously the cable/sat companies get leverage against the NFL (laughable) the NFL can wiggle out of this arrangement with CBS. If the league realizes that the network will suffer little harm by decreasing the amount of games on the network, in 1-2 years they can go back to the original plan of bidding this out to FS1, NBCSN, Turner, and ESPN and abandon the simulcasting on broadcast network strategy.

                  It's truly amazing how much of the league's revenue growth can and will be tied to this sliver of marginal Thursday night games.

                  Again, it's all very impressive as only the NFL can humble these business giants with frightening efficiency and consistency.

                  At the same time though, the NFL is still in the early stages of reaching that $25 billion revenue goal and that's what scares me. The NFL is already planting seeds all over for more revenue. Options include a team in London, more playoff teams, an 18 game season, more weekday playoff games (Friday/and Tuesdays), and god knows what we don't even know about. Whenever you hear about these future plans from the league, remember it's all about increasing revenue.

                  I'm a fan and I'll probably always be a fan and for now I marvel at all the business maneuvers the league has done. But $25 billion? Somewhere along the way if they're that hungry to create/pillage/find/tax/negotiate/intimidate new revenue, they're going to impact my enjoyment of the product and probably lose a lot of others along the way. I won't say that any of the league's moves up until this point or in the works were overly aggressive or short sighted, but the stated death march to $25 billion just seems to be too steep and too fast.

                  Here's to hoping that somewhere along the way the league and team owners take inventory of where this slippery slope of scraping another billion dollars somewhere from something annually will hurt its relationship with fans. Until then you have to wonder who the NFL has in their sights next for a shakedown.

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                  • Mogriffjr
                    aka Reece
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 2759

                    #39
                    you guys are in the minority though...who would just want Sunday and Monday games...meanwhile I know sports fans who CANT WAIT for the next football game...and if it's on a thursday, the quicker the better....and these are women or guys who don't follow the sport as much as you guys do or I do. Those people are who they want. They know the hardcore fan will watch anyway. SB did record numbers in viewers for the 4th year in a row...they are getting better.
                    Originally posted by Nick Mangold
                    Wes Welker is a great player. He's really taken advantage of watching film. If we don't keep a Spy on him, he could really open the Gate.

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                    • Warner2BruceTD
                      2011 Poster Of The Year
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 26142

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Mogriffjr
                      you guys are in the minority though...who would just want Sunday and Monday games...meanwhile I know sports fans who CANT WAIT for the next football game...and if it's on a thursday, the quicker the better....and these are women or guys who don't follow the sport as much as you guys do or I do. Those people are who they want. They know the hardcore fan will watch anyway. SB did record numbers in viewers for the 4th year in a row...they are getting better.
                      I don't disagree, but I don't think anything is immune to oversaturation, and there are early signs that the NFL is walking that line, such as the flat Sunday afternoon numbers the last two years (which is a self fulfilled prophecy).

                      Oversaturation is a funny thing. When it takes hold, it is like an avalanche and can not be stopped. The only question is the leveling off point. UFC is the best recent example of something relevant and sports related.

                      I think the main theme here is the NFL has to be very, very careful with what these moves do to Sunday afternoon, which is the lifeblood & backbone of their business, cultivated over decades and what they've established as part of the fabric of American culture. There comes a time when you have to weigh short terms gains against long term erosion of your core product. McDonald's will sell you coffee or chicken wings or a fish sandwich, but not at the expense of changing the hamburger.

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                      • Hasselbeck
                        Jus' bout dat action boss
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 6175

                        #41
                        This is just the precursor to the 14-team playoff. And they don't want the extra games on Friday.. they want it on Sunday Night/Monday Night.

                        As it stands now.. they have Sat Afternoon/Sat Night/Sun Early/Sun Midday .. Now they can add Sunday Night and Monday Night and squeeze NBC/ESPN for more cash on their primetime deals.

                        Warner is right though.. this is becoming ridiculous.. Goodell is going to keep walking that fine line.
                        Originally posted by ram29jackson
                        I already said months ago that Seattle wasn't winning any SB

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                        • Warner2BruceTD
                          2011 Poster Of The Year
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 26142

                          #42
                          I forget which owner it was, I want to say it was a Rooney(actually it may have been Chiefs..either PIT or KC), but Chris Russo had him on during Super Bowl week and was putting the screws to him on the 14-team playoff. You can consider it a lock. He didn't come out and say it, but reading between the lines it is obvious the owners want it for the reasons above Hass mentions. Oddly, he talked about TUESDAY as an added day for playoff games. Maybe figuring that even they don't expect people to be able to give up 12 hours on Saturday AND Sunday back to back.

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                          • Hasselbeck
                            Jus' bout dat action boss
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 6175

                            #43
                            The best is the owners will sell this idea by telling the fans

                            - You get two more playoff games!!!! SO AWESOME!!!

                            - More playoff games = more revenue = more salary cap!!! THAT MEANS YOUR TEAM MIGHT MAKE IT TO THIS 14 TEAM DANCE!!!

                            And guess what? Fans will eat it up. With a spoon. The best news the NFL got this year was Arizona missing the playoffs at 10-6 while beating the Super Bowl Champs on their home field. Now they can shove that down everyones throats too.. telling people "imagine if Arizona made it?!" all while ignoring the fact 8-8 Pittsburgh would have also got in and would likely have been shit on by the Patriots again.. or that this creates a very real possibility more and more 7-9 teams will enter the playoffs now.
                            Originally posted by ram29jackson
                            I already said months ago that Seattle wasn't winning any SB

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