Mark Cuban: NFL 10 Years from Implosion

[cmnelson87]

"and ease fan discontent"...London was alienating the Rams and their fanbase which was my point to begin with.

Yes, the fans weren't happy about it. Simple solution: go to the games then!! But the Rams wanted it. Which your original statement was that they didn't.

[spursup]

Yes, the fans weren't happy about it. Simple solution: go to the games then!! But the Rams wanted it. Which your original statement was that they didn't.

Your original statement was that all teams wanted it. The Rams played there once, saw the effect it had on their fan relations, didn't wanna do it anymore. Teams aren't jumping for joy at the opportunity to play in London.

[cmnelson87]

Your original statement was that all teams wanted it. The Rams played there once, saw the effect it had on their fan relations, didn't wanna do it anymore. Teams aren't jumping for joy at the opportunity to play in London.

Did you read those articles, or did you stop when you saw half a sentence that favored your argument? The bigger concern for St. Louis was getting things all set with the Edward Jones Dome. They were excited to play in London, and disappointed when they had to back out. They even said it was something they would like to try doing again in the future.

You have to understand that teams are looking to make money first and foremost. Playing to half empty stadiums is costing money. They enjoy having one less game to struggle to fill seats.

[ram29jackson]

Did you read those articles, or did you stop when you saw half a sentence that favored your argument? The bigger concern for St. Louis was getting things all set with the Edward Jones Dome. They were excited to play in London, and disappointed when they had to back out. They even said it was something they would like to try doing again in the future.

You have to understand that teams are looking to make money first and foremost. Playing to half empty stadiums is costing money. They enjoy having one less game to struggle to fill seats.

absolutely none of the players want to do it = end of story. No one gives a damn about the happy PR spin.

[cmnelson87]

absolutely none of the players want to do it = end of story. No one gives a damn about the happy PR spin.

Is that why you always see players posting pictures on social media of them taking in some of the tourist spots while they are over there?

And players don't want to get cut, they still do. All that matter is if management wants it, and they did.

[FedEx227]

This thread is going about as anyone could've predicted on VSN.

For one, there is precedent here. UFC while never at the same level as the NFL is now suffered from over-saturation. Suddenly, every weekend had a PPV and what happens is you don't become appointment television. Now, you can skip shows, pick and choose what the watch. If the NFL expands into every weekday you'll get the same thing, most people can't devote every day to watch it so they'll start skipping games. That's when it starts to hurt. If you know all you have to do is watch on Sunday, that's easy. When you can just as easily skip Tuesday-Thursday games, then you're getting into over-saturation and it does become an issue. Less is sometimes more.

Two, to rams point that nobody cares about safety, you're an idiot. Look at the numbers of youth football enrollment in recent years (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...-causal-factor). It's way down. People are moving to less dangerous sports like lacrosse and soccer. The next logical step for high schools is to get out of brain damage business and stop offering football as a school sport but instead have football go the way of boxing and be a club-based sport. This will take a lot longer than 10 years but if lawsuits come down and it's no longer cost-effective to run football through the school, they'll make changes.

Basketballs hip-hop-rap-ghetto culture turns me off.

Drink bleach. Seriously. Or better yet, stop trying to run around what you really want to say — you aren't comfortable with a league where the stars are predominately black. This argument has no leg to stand on because nothing in the NBA's marketing or presence really says "hip-hop-rap-ghetto" those are just buzzwords 30+ year olds use to justify why they don't like the NBA anymore. Just say it, you don't like that all the stars are black. It's okay.

[ram29jackson]

Is that why you always see players posting pictures on social media of them taking in some of the tourist spots while they are over there?

And players don't want to get cut, they still do. All that matter is if management wants it, and they did.

so..while there they mess around but no one actually wants to have to do that for a long ass out of place road game.
taking advantage of a free moment doesn't have crap to do with actually wanting to be there for the purpose its for.

[cmnelson87]

so..while there they mess around but no one actually wants to have to do that for a long ass out of place road game.
taking advantage of a free moment doesn't have crap to do with actually wanting to be there for the purpose its for.

As I said, it really doesn't matter what the players want. They are concerned about getting their money. The teams are the ones trying to make their money to give to the players, and they are the ones that want to play in England (which is what I've been saying, but somehow you two keep changing the point).

But, just for arguments sake, please provide some support to your statements. I provided my support, while you've just made statements with nothing to support it.

[ram29jackson]

This thread is going about as anyone could've predicted on VSN.

For one, there is precedent here. UFC while never at the same level as the NFL is now suffered from over-saturation. Suddenly, every weekend had a PPV and what happens is you don't become appointment television. Now, you can skip shows, pick and choose what the watch. If the NFL expands into every weekday you'll get the same thing, most people can't devote every day to watch it so they'll start skipping games. That's when it starts to hurt. If you know all you have to do is watch on Sunday, that's easy. When you can just as easily skip Tuesday-Thursday games, then you're getting into over-saturation and it does become an issue. Less is sometimes more.

Two, to rams point that nobody cares about safety, you're an idiot. Look at the numbers of youth football enrollment in recent years (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...-causal-factor). It's way down. People are moving to less dangerous sports like lacrosse and soccer. The next logical step for high schools is to get out of brain damage business and stop offering football as a school sport but instead have football go the way of boxing and be a club-based sport. This will take a lot longer than 10 years but if lawsuits come down and it's no longer cost-effective to run football through the school, they'll make changes.



Drink bleach. Seriously. Or better yet, stop trying to run around what you really want to say — you aren't comfortable with a league where the stars are predominately black. This argument has no leg to stand on because nothing in the NBA's marketing or presence really says "hip-hop-rap-ghetto" those are just buzzwords 30+ year olds use to justify why they don't like the NBA anymore. Just say it, you don't like that all the stars are black. It's okay.

wrong honey,..not liking the rap crap has nothing to do with racism. And I watched the all star game/weekend that was all about the " yo, whats up my nigga/ghetto/hip hop" theme. LOL at this argument has no leg to stand on. The NBA is all about the black culture. Doesn't mean I don't have black favorite players etc.

[FedEx227]

Care to show me an example of the "yo, whats up my nigga/ghetto/hip hop" stuff from All-Star Weekend, I missed it.

I'm assuming this is one of your examples:



YO NIGGA!

Look at all those ghetto nig-nogs in the back wearing their plaid.

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

This thread is going about as anyone could've predicted on VSN.

For one, there is precedent here. UFC while never at the same level as the NFL is now suffered from over-saturation. Suddenly, every weekend had a PPV and what happens is you don't become appointment television. Now, you can skip shows, pick and choose what the watch. If the NFL expands into every weekday you'll get the same thing, most people can't devote every day to watch it so they'll start skipping games. That's when it starts to hurt. If you know all you have to do is watch on Sunday, that's easy. When you can just as easily skip Tuesday-Thursday games, then you're getting into over-saturation and it does become an issue. Less is sometimes more.

Two, to rams point that nobody cares about safety, you're an idiot. Look at the numbers of youth football enrollment in recent years (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...-causal-factor). It's way down. People are moving to less dangerous sports like lacrosse and soccer. The next logical step for high schools is to get out of brain damage business and stop offering football as a school sport but instead have football go the way of boxing and be a club-based sport. This will take a lot longer than 10 years but if lawsuits come down and it's no longer cost-effective to run football through the school, they'll make changes.



Drink bleach. Seriously. Or better yet, stop trying to run around what you really want to say — you aren't comfortable with a league where the stars are predominately black. This argument has no leg to stand on because nothing in the NBA's marketing or presence really says "hip-hop-rap-ghetto" those are just buzzwords 30+ year olds use to justify why they don't like the NBA anymore. Just say it, you don't like that all the stars are black. It's okay.

1. Agreed 100% and saved me some typing. UFC is a perfect example of losing that "premiere event" "happening" feel because of over saturation.

2. In terms of watching the sport they dont. They may care about their kids but not the guys they tune in to watch. It will effect the sport and get people away because the product is shittier...but I dont think anyone has stopped watching because of concussions.

3. NBAs hiphop culture and scaring away folks has long been historied. That few year span where Iverson was cornrowing and trashing practice , players were throwing haymakers at fans , and Kobe was raping white girls left a bad taste in alot of peoples mouths.