2nd best receiver all time, from 2008

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  • Aso
    The Serious House
    • Nov 2008
    • 11137

    #31
    Originally posted by Pritty
    Methinks Fitzgerald ends up somewhere on this list by the time he's done.
    Hurts his chances a little after playing for years with shitty QB's like John Skelton and Kevin Kolb. At least it hurts his stats pretty drastically.

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    • jms493
      Junior Member
      • Feb 2009
      • 11248

      #32
      Fitz has to have the best hands ever!

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      • Pitty
        Death, Taxes, Jeff Capel
        • Feb 2009
        • 7541

        #33
        Originally posted by Aso
        Hurts his chances a little after playing for years with shitty QB's like John Skelton and Kevin Kolb. At least it hurts his stats pretty drastically.
        Larry just turned 30, has about 12,000 yards, 90 TDs, and is an 8 time Pro-Bowler. If anything, playing with shitty QBs and putting up those numbers increase his chances.

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        • ram29jackson
          Noob
          • Nov 2008
          • 0

          #34
          Originally posted by Pritty
          Larry just turned 30, has about 12,000 yards, 90 TDs, and is an 8 time Pro-Bowler. If anything, playing with shitty QBs and putting up those numbers increase his chances.
          or end up like the modern Lynn Swann or Harold Jackson, Great but forgotten in a sense

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          • Warner2BruceTD
            2011 Poster Of The Year
            • Mar 2009
            • 26142

            #35
            Originally posted by Pitty
            Methinks Fitzgerald ends up somewhere on this list by the time he's done.
            Severely underrated player, probably because he plays for the most obscure franchise in the sport. Playing for the Cardinals is like playing for the Titans or Bills, nobody is paying attention. Hurts even more to be buried in that shit time zone, playing late games against the Rams or Seahawks head to head with the back end of network double header national games.

            Fitzgerald & Steven Jackson are the two most underrated players of the last decade, because outside of Arizona's brief run with Warner (and even then), nobody watched either guy play. And they were both legit great.

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            • Pitty
              Death, Taxes, Jeff Capel
              • Feb 2009
              • 7541

              #36
              Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
              Severely underrated player, probably because he plays for the most obscure franchise in the sport. Playing for the Cardinals is like playing for the Titans or Bills, nobody is paying attention. Hurts even more to be buried in that shit time zone, playing late games against the Rams or Seahawks head to head with the back end of network double header national games.

              Fitzgerald & Steven Jackson are the two most underrated players of the last decade, because outside of Arizona's brief run with Warner (and even then), nobody watched either guy play. And they were both legit great.
              He was a last second TD away from the greatest WR performance in a Super Bowl. Arguably had the best WR playoffs ever that year too.

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              • KINGOFOOTBALL
                Junior Member
                • Feb 2009
                • 10343

                #37
                Just some random thoughts...

                You TO backers need to take a longer look. Id like to compare him to Irvin for a second as they are so physically close yet deliver such different results. TO accumulated alot of garbage time numbers and just preyed on shitty CBs for such a long stretch of his career. Im not saying he wasn't elite. But of all the top guys at the time TO consistently had trouble with top guys. As physically dominant as he was at the LOS you could play a shot game with the amount of shorted routes ,and alligator armed attempts he'd have up the middle. He was an all or nothing guy. If a CB got to him early TO would mentally checkout for long stretches. Sadly I think his first year run with the Eagles may have been an anomaly that threw people off. Because that was IMO his most consistent season. But before and certainly after the guy refused to perform in big games. Cowboys two seasons in a row watched season altering plays slip through his hands in crunch time. TO got progressively mediocre when important moments crept up. Whats crazy is that he's open on most of these plays. Its some weird mental blank this guy was shooting. He'd do everything right and suddenly.....incomplete then stare at the sky and give his QB the stare. Ugh.. Hes not top 10 when you mix in locker room cancer status. If durability is your criteria then go ahead.

                On the other hand you have Irvin a guy who epitomized that physical dominance TO gets raves over. How many of the top WRs can say they had to face 2 HOF CBs and 2 others who were elite level (Aeneas , Green , Taylor , Allen) 6 times a year. Not only did he not struggle he excelled against them. Green was basically his bitch twice a year , Aenas , and Allen were often chew toys. A couple of shots against Rod Woodson & Deion Sanders ? Three 150+ yard games against them. I mean seriously who the hell else other than Moss/Rice can say they faced that level of competition and somehow played that well ? He was an infinitely better route runner than either Moss or TO. Was significantly better than Carter at deep routes , and had a highlight reel of big catches in huge games. He certainly made a long lasting impact as the trend to XLarge WRs and the techniques used by them was a heavy Irvin influence. Theres no reality where TO gets on a list above Irvin unless you are relying on a calculator or profootballoutsiders app.

                That said much as I do think Irvin is an easy top10. Probably top 7 ...top 4 seems really high to me. Alworth and Berry not being there is just wtf to me. I personally had them as 4-5. But frankly whoevers #4 on any of your lists...is like half a lace better than someone at #11 or 12 anyways so meh.

















                Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
                Severely underrated player, probably because he plays for the most obscure franchise in the sport. Playing for the Cardinals is like playing for the Titans or Bills, nobody is paying attention. Hurts even more to be buried in that shit time zone, playing late games against the Rams or Seahawks head to head with the back end of network double header national games.

                Fitzgerald & Steven Jackson are the two most underrated players of the last decade, because outside of Arizona's brief run with Warner (and even then), nobody watched either guy play. And they were both legit great.
                I get the distinct feeling both will be forgotten. I still think the Cowboys get to the SB had they drafted Jackson and not that bum Felix Jones.
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                • Woy
                  RIP West
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 16372

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
                  Severely underrated player, probably because he plays for the most obscure franchise in the sport. Playing for the Cardinals is like playing for the Titans or Bills, nobody is paying attention. Hurts even more to be buried in that shit time zone, playing late games against the Rams or Seahawks head to head with the back end of network double header national games.

                  Fitzgerald & Steven Jackson are the two most underrated players of the last decade, because outside of Arizona's brief run with Warner (and even then), nobody watched either guy play. And they were both legit great.
                  Sounds like someone doesn't respect Andy LeVitre.



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                  • Hasselbeck
                    Jus' bout dat action boss
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 6175

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Pitty
                    Methinks Fitzgerald ends up somewhere on this list by the time he's done.
                    I just wish we could have seen Fitzgerald play with a Brady or Manning for most of his career... hell even a really good, but not great, QB like a Phil Rivers or Big Ben. Instead the guy had a couple years with Kurt Warner and a bunch of garbage in between.

                    The fact Carson Palmer at age 34 is the 2nd best QB he's ever played with is quite telling.
                    Originally posted by ram29jackson
                    I already said months ago that Seattle wasn't winning any SB

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                    • KINGOFOOTBALL
                      Junior Member
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 10343

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Hasselbeck
                      I just wish we could have seen Fitzgerald play with a Brady or Manning for most of his career... hell even a really good, but not great, QB like a Phil Rivers or Big Ben. Instead the guy had a couple years with Kurt Warner and a bunch of garbage in between.

                      The fact Carson Palmer at age 34 is the 2nd best QB he's ever played with is quite telling.
                      Meh , WRs dont always need world beater QBs. They often benefit from being on bad teams where they just get fed the ball all day. Andre Johnson is just as victimized if not worse if thats the case.
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                      • LiquidLarry2GhostWF
                        Highwayman
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 15429

                        #41
                        Originally posted by jms493
                        Fitz has to have the best hands ever!
                        I wouldn't go that far, but they are of the best the game has ever had. His drop rate, considering the number of balls thrown his way, is ridiculously good. He, Reggie Wayne, and Anquan Boldin, of recent vintage, had the best group of hands in football.

                        Meanwhile, of players of recent vintage in this thread...Terrell Owens has one of the worst drop rates among elite receivers since they started tracking it.

                        FWIW, I'd rank Fitzgerald over Owens in any All-Time list. Better hands, better teammate. Won't put up the stats (mostly, touchdowns) that Owens received over his career, but just a better football player. And, while his sample size is small, on a per-game basis, there may not be a better post-season wide receiver. Only six games (over two playoff appearances), but he averages 7 catches, for 118 yards, and 1.5 touchdowns in the playoffs.

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                        • JBregz
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                          • Nov 2008
                          • 3837

                          #42
                          Surprised Steve Largent isn't higher on that list.

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                          • DDRGuido
                            gx
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 3483

                            #43
                            Needs more Tim Brown & Andre Reed

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                            • Warner2BruceTD
                              2011 Poster Of The Year
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 26142

                              #44
                              Originally posted by DDRGuido
                              Needs more Tim Brown & Andre Reed
                              No it doesn't.

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                              • KINGOFOOTBALL
                                Junior Member
                                • Feb 2009
                                • 10343

                                #45
                                Originally posted by DDRGuido
                                Needs more Tim Brown & Andre Reed
                                Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
                                No it doesn't.
                                Word...why not sprinkle in some Andre Rison and Haywood Jeffires while we're at it.
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