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  • Senser81
    VSN Poster of the Year
    • Feb 2009
    • 12804

    #46
    Originally posted by KINGOFOOTBALL
    Word...why not sprinkle in some Andre Rison and Haywood Jeffires while we're at it.
    While I don't think either Brown or Reed are Top10 material, they were much better than Rison and Jeffries (although Rison had a fine career).

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    • Pitty
      Death, Taxes, Jeff Capel
      • Feb 2009
      • 7541

      #47
      Originally posted by LiquidLarry2GhostWF
      I wouldn't go that far, but they are of the best the game has ever had. His drop rate, considering the number of balls thrown his way, is ridiculously good. He, Reggie Wayne, and Anquan Boldin, of recent vintage, had the best group of hands in football.

      Meanwhile, of players of recent vintage in this thread...Terrell Owens has one of the worst drop rates among elite receivers since they started tracking it.

      FWIW, I'd rank Fitzgerald over Owens in any All-Time list. Better hands, better teammate. Won't put up the stats (mostly, touchdowns) that Owens received over his career, but just a better football player. And, while his sample size is small, on a per-game basis, there may not be a better post-season wide receiver. Only six games (over two playoff appearances), but he averages 7 catches, for 118 yards, and 1.5 touchdowns in the playoffs.
      Fitzgerald is the quintessential Franchise guy. I remember a few years ago they were criticizing his training camp "work ethic" because he didn't do much outside of driving golf carts around. The funny thing is the guy trains above and beyond most other players in the NFL, embraces playing for a shit franchise and is always open to interaction with the fans (in person, twitter, facebook, anywhere), and you always see him pop up at charity events and the like while always showing producing on the field. No ego, and a ridiculously good public image makes it very strange that no teams have ever made a serious go at him through a trade (I do remember a Lito Shepard/1st round pick for Fitz deal in 2011 though).

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      • KINGOFOOTBALL
        Junior Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 10343

        #48
        Originally posted by Senser81
        While I don't think either Brown or Reed are Top10 material, they were much better than Rison and Jeffries (although Rison had a fine career).
        Brown Ill agree. But not Reed , I think he and Rison were essentially the same WR with Rison being a tad better in the RedZone Reed being a bit tougher across the middle.
        Best reason to have a license.

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        • Aso
          The Serious House
          • Nov 2008
          • 11137

          #49
          Originally posted by Pitty
          Fitzgerald is the quintessential Franchise guy. I remember a few years ago they were criticizing his training camp "work ethic" because he didn't do much outside of driving golf carts around. The funny thing is the guy trains above and beyond most other players in the NFL, embraces playing for a shit franchise and is always open to interaction with the fans (in person, twitter, facebook, anywhere), and you always see him pop up at charity events and the like while always showing producing on the field. No ego, and a ridiculously good public image makes it very strange that no teams have ever made a serious go at him through a trade (I do remember a Lito Shepard/1st round pick for Fitz deal in 2011 though).
          In 2011 Lito Sheppard was on the Raiders and they never offered any sort of deal like that. Not to mention the last time Lito Sheppard was even decent was 2007.

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          • Pitty
            Death, Taxes, Jeff Capel
            • Feb 2009
            • 7541

            #50
            Originally posted by Aso
            In 2011 Lito Sheppard was on the Raiders and they never offered any sort of deal like that. Not to mention the last time Lito Sheppard was even decent was 2007.
            Guess it wasn't Sheppard, but there was an Eagles CB/1st round pick for Fitzgerald talk in the past.

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            • Tailback U
              No substitute 4 strength.
              • Nov 2008
              • 10282

              #51
              I'm having trouble naming more than 2 quarterbacks Fitzgerald has played with.

              Outside of Palmer and Warner, who was throwing to him? Cafe Mccown? John Skelton?

              Trivia - How many seasons has fitz played in the nfl and how many different QB's has he caught a pass from?

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              • Diivox
                It's the other way.
                • Apr 2009
                • 1773

                #52
                Originally posted by Pitty
                Fitzgerald is the quintessential Franchise guy. I remember a few years ago they were criticizing his training camp "work ethic" because he didn't do much outside of driving golf carts around. The funny thing is the guy trains above and beyond most other players in the NFL, embraces playing for a shit franchise and is always open to interaction with the fans (in person, twitter, facebook, anywhere), and you always see him pop up at charity events and the like while always showing producing on the field. No ego, and a ridiculously good public image makes it very strange that no teams have ever made a serious go at him through a trade (I do remember a Lito Shepard/1st round pick for Fitz deal in 2011 though).
                I'm really not sure what charity events and twitter have to do with work ethic, nobody is arguing that he isn't good at publicity, he's clearly got a good social media staff, but that's why they pay him the ridiculous contract that they do, to be a brand ambassador. he's the most marketable star in Phoenix and the only guy in town besides maybe Kurt Warner that will never have to pay for anything in that city ever again. That still doesn't have anything to do with his play, and he has never made a quarterback better. At best, his results are inconclusive, but he still has never won anything. I think Fitz is one of the most overrated players of the current era, that team would have won more if the Whizzenator wasn't always trying to force the ball to him and pad his stats.

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                • Senser81
                  VSN Poster of the Year
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 12804

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Diivox
                  I'm really not sure what charity events and twitter have to do with work ethic, nobody is arguing that he isn't good at publicity, he's clearly got a good social media staff, but that's why they pay him the ridiculous contract that they do, to be a brand ambassador. he's the most marketable star in Phoenix and the only guy in town besides maybe Kurt Warner that will never have to pay for anything in that city ever again. That still doesn't have anything to do with his play, and he has never made a quarterback better. At best, his results are inconclusive, but he still has never won anything. I think Fitz is one of the most overrated players of the current era, that team would have won more if the Whizzenator wasn't always trying to force the ball to him and pad his stats.
                  More great stuff from Vlade Diivox. Kurt Warner's career was essentially written-off until he paired with Fitzgerald. Same with Carson Palmer. Fitzgerald's 2008 postseason is possibly the greatest postseason of any NFL player at any position.

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                  • Pitty
                    Death, Taxes, Jeff Capel
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 7541

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Diivox
                    I'm really not sure what charity events and twitter have to do with work ethic, nobody is arguing that he isn't good at publicity, he's clearly got a good social media staff, but that's why they pay him the ridiculous contract that they do, to be a brand ambassador. he's the most marketable star in Phoenix and the only guy in town besides maybe Kurt Warner that will never have to pay for anything in that city ever again. That still doesn't have anything to do with his play, and he has never made a quarterback better. At best, his results are inconclusive, but he still has never won anything. I think Fitz is one of the most overrated players of the current era, that team would have won more if the Whizzenator wasn't always trying to force the ball to him and pad his stats.

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                    • ram29jackson
                      Noob
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 0

                      #55
                      Originally posted by KINGOFOOTBALL
                      Brown Ill agree. But not Reed , I think he and Rison were essentially the same WR with Rison being a tad better in the RedZone Reed being a bit tougher across the middle.
                      on my memory alone why would anyone put Rison ahead of Reed ? I honestly don't care if he had similar stats nor am I wasting time looking them up now. Reed served a better purpose on a better team throughout his career.

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                      • Diivox
                        It's the other way.
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 1773

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Senser81
                        More great stuff from Vlade Diivox. Kurt Warner's career was essentially written-off until he paired with Fitzgerald. Same with Carson Palmer. Fitzgerald's 2008 postseason is possibly the greatest postseason of any NFL player at any position.
                        Carson Palmer was a worse quarterback in Arizona that he was in Oakland. He threw 8 more interceptions than the year before and had like 200 yards more passing and a couple more TD's but he also played 1 more game.

                        Boldin was Warners primary receiver, comparing Boldin and Fitzgeralds stats during the Warner time was essentially a trade off with one guy doing better than the other some years but at worst you have to give both guys credit.

                        Joe Flacco had an amazing postseason during his superbowl run but nobody believes he is an elite quarterback.

                        Fitzgerald is wildly overrated and this is coming from a guy who watched 8 Cardinal games a year minimum for the last 6 years. His father the beat writer taught him how to manage the media extremely well so his image is pristine and he sells lots of shit to people in Phoenix but that guy is about his money, not winning.

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                        • webbi
                          Junior Member
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 564

                          #57
                          I would take Harrison over owens

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