Buy or sell: Percy Harvin

[ralaw]

I'd love to hear some of these stories.

The issue with Harvin was that the school administrators had no idea how to handle his stardom. He also was very arrogant and basically only listened to a handful of teachers. Most of the stories aren’t anything juicy and mostly center around sex and him always wanting to work out (routinely skipping class to do both). All in all though he was a good kid that had no idea how to handle his own spotlight, but it appears he’s getting better. I haven’t seen him around these parts in a while though.

Its funny though because after his alleged failed drug test I told my wife and her first words question was, “What is wrong with athletes from this area?” For those who don’t know Mike Vick and Plaxico Burress are also from around here as well.

[f16harm]

The issue with Harvin was that the school administrators had no idea how to handle his stardom. He also was very arrogant and basically only listened to a handful of teachers. Most of the stories aren’t anything juicy and mostly center around sex and him always wanting to work out (routinely skipping class to do both). All in all though he was a good kid that had no idea how to handle his own spotlight, but it appears he’s getting better. I haven’t seen him around these parts in a while though.

I just had a flashback to the night I watched Geraldo Rivera's special on network TV, "Opening Al Capone's Vault"

[Senser81]

I'm the one that's undersized, which is why my wife/girlfriend/significant other put me in the corner and dressed me up in nothing more than a gas mask while Harvin came over and gatored her swamp.

At least your wife had her swamp gatored by a superstar like Percy Harvin. My wife got gatored by Chris Doering. Yuck.

[FirstTimer]

Please God don't let the Bears take him.

[Tailback U]

One story I heard is that he fucked your wife/girlfriend/significant other.


Harvin isn't tall but I wouldn't say he's 'undersized'. He's very strong for a WR, kinda like Steve Smith. I agree with NAHSTE about questioning the type of WR Florida produces (they've all basically sucked). People have been comparing Harvin to Reggie Bush, but I would compare Harvin to Hines Ward. A tough kid who is all about football. I'd be happy if my team drafted him.

You must be joking. Comparing Harvin to Hines Ward? They are not similar players physically or mentally. Hines is a team guy, Harvin is a me-first guy. Hines likes to hit and is as durable as they come, Harvin doesn't hit anyone - he runs by them or around them and he has had injury concerns.

Terrible comparison, IMO.

[Senser81]

You must be joking. Comparing Harvin to Hines Ward? They are not similar players physically or mentally. Hines is a team guy, Harvin is a me-first guy. Hines likes to hit and is as durable as they come, Harvin doesn't hit anyone - he runs by them or around them and he has had injury concerns.

Terrible comparison, IMO.

LOL at 'not similar physically'.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Depends on the team that takes him.

He has to be coached up, but if a team gets creative and they have a team that executes well, he might be able to succeed. Teams like the Steelers or Eagles or Patriots or Giants would probably get the best football out of Percy Harvin, focusing his play calls to his strengths.

If he goes to my team (the Jags), honestly, he'll probably suck. We haven't developed wide receivers and we proved with Matt Jones that fitting a square peg into a round hole isn't exactly the winning formula in development of a raw receiver.

[FirstTimer]

Agreed. Ditto with the Bears. The Devin Hester Experiment isn't exactly going well at WR.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Agreed. Ditto with the Bears. The Devin Hester Experiment isn't exactly going well at WR.

Hester was fucked as a position player before he stepped foot in Chicago. It really isn't his fault per se, but he was so far behind the curve in terms of technique and instincts at a position before he went pro, it shocks me none that he is real slow to warm up at a position.

Larry Coker and the staff moved the kid everywhere and never let him settle in. Hhe should have been a wide receiver from Day 1, but they fucked around with him at DB for too long and never fully got him situated at wide receiver, often using him in the backfield and never actually giving him plays to run outside of direct snaps of that jazz.

To be fair, the Bears coaching on O isn't exactly stellar either. If DH went elsewhere he might have been coached up better.

[FirstTimer]

Hester was fucked as a position player before he stepped foot in Chicago. It really isn't his fault per se, but he was so far behind the curve in terms of technique and instincts at a position before he went pro, it shocks me none that he is real slow to warm up at a position.

Larry Coker and the staff moved the kid everywhere and never let him settle in. Hhe should have been a wide receiver from Day 1, but they fucked around with him at DB for too long and never fully got him situated at wide receiver, often using him in the backfield and never actually giving him plays to run outside of direct snaps of that jazz.

To be fair, the Bears coaching on O isn't exactly stellar either. If DH went elsewhere he might have been coached up better.

Yeah, that's my point. If you are a tweener type player like Harvin or Hester Chicago doesn't exactly have the coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball to really groom you one way or another.

Maybe having a real QB now will help but I'm still not sold the Bears have the coaches needed to teach techniques etc to Hester or a guy like Harvin. Which is why I hope the Bears don't draft him.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Yeah, that's my point. If you are a tweener type player like Harvin or Hester Chicago doesn't exactly have the coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball to really groom you one way or another.

Maybe having a real QB now will help but I'm still not sold the Bears have the coaches needed to teach techniques etc to Hester or a guy like Harvin. Which is why I hope the Bears don't draft him.

Same reason I say no to him on the Jags.

I just want the Jags to go with very safe picks. They've missed often with these high risk-reward players. Stick to the basics of drafting. Sound, fundamental players, safe players. Doesn't matter the position, he doesn't need to be a Pro Bowler right away, just a sound, fundamental pick. Guys that won't bust...or at least have less chance to do so then others. Those types.

For once, I'd like to see a contributing first round pick...truly.

[FirstTimer]

Same reason I say no to him on the Jags.

I just want the Jags to go with very safe picks. They've missed often with these high risk-reward players. Stick to the basics of drafting. Sound, fundamental players, safe players. Doesn't matter the position, he doesn't need to be a Pro Bowler right away, just a sound, fundamental pick. Guys that won't bust...or at least have less chance to do so then others. Those types.

For once, I'd like to see a contributing first round pick...truly.

I'm glad we got Cutler this year

It will be interesting to see who the Bears go with in the 2nd round. I've been a big backer of Ramses Barden WR Cal-Poly because we need a big red zone target and a guy who can be a physical WR and help out the QB. Not sure who else is projected in the 2nd Rd territory that fits that mold.

[Tailback U]

LOL at 'not similar physically'.

LOL at you looking at their height and weight and then saying they are physically the same type of football player.

Hines Ward is a possession WR. He runs excellent routes, knows where to find the zones in defenses, has excellent hands and is one of the best blocking WR's in the NFL.

Percy Harvin is an explosive gamebreaker. He doesn't run excellent routes. He doesn't have excellent hands. He is not known for his blocking nor his on-field (or off the field) intelligence.

The two are not similar in any way, shape, or form. Other than their height and weight. But I could list about 100 other WRs in the league with the same height/weight as Hines and Percy and say "they are physically the same!" if you really want me to. They are polar opposites.

[ThunderHorse]

Well, more and more I thought about it I realized that he isn't they type of guy I'd really like Indianapolis to grab.

Now if Polian decided to draft him, I wouldn't feel bad, because I trust our GM and if our GM feels that he can be formed into a good wide receiver, then it is completely possible, Polian's track record is near PERFECT with first round picks while he has been in Indianapolis.

But, look at Harvin and you got a great player who isn't great at any specific thing, in the NFL he wont succeed at runningback, it will take a while for him to shape into a good receiver, and will never be a true #1, and even though people think he will be a good special teams player, they forget the fact that he NEVER returned a punt or a kick in his college career.

Great player, but I don't think I'd want him on my team unless I feel he can be coached correctly.

[Sportsbuck]

LOL at you looking at their height and weight and then saying they are physically the same type of football player.

Hines Ward is a possession WR. He runs excellent routes, knows where to find the zones in defenses, has excellent hands and is one of the best blocking WR's in the NFL.

Percy Harvin is an explosive gamebreaker. He doesn't run excellent routes. He doesn't have excellent hands. He is not known for his blocking nor his on-field (or off the field) intelligence.

The two are not similar in any way, shape, or form. Other than their height and weight. But I could list about 100 other WRs in the league with the same height/weight as Hines and Percy and say "they are physically the same!" if you really want me to. They are polar opposites.

Since when have intelligence, running good routes, and finding holes in defense been physical traits?