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Congress,
Worry about the economy. Right now I think the BCS has a higher GDP than our country.
Thanks,
America
Worry about the economy. Right now I think the BCS has a higher GDP than our country.
Thanks,
America
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In all seriousness though a playoff will do little to nothing to fix the problems with the BCS. How do you decide on a cut off for how many teams? When do you start? How do you tie in Bowl Games?
I've only heard of two plans I like. One of which is my own and the only real objective way to do it and the other is an idea that JTW posted over on MM a while ago. -
Bowl games would be inter-weaved with the playoff games. the 8 team playoff would feature the 4 bowl games, then the last 3 games of the season are just regular games, other then the National Championship.
you just pick top 8, based on the 8 top teams in the nation by the BCS.
the real problem with the system is when you have a team like Utah, who went undefeated, but had absolutely no chance to even compete in the NC, they were the #3 team, and solidly beat a team that many thought was going to win the national championship in their bowl game.
I like the playoff idea, and I think it works because those top 8 teams are going to be the top teams, and we don't have to hear people bitch and whine when you have an undefeated team that wasn't given the opportunity to play for the NC.Comment
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This is where the issue starts making no sense. Hypothetically if we all agree the BCS sucks then why on God's green Earth would we use the BCS to determine who makes it into a playoff to begin with? The BCS sucks remember? That's why we are trying to find something new. Using the broken BCS to make a new system isn't going to do any good.
I for one don't mind the BCS, but if someone doesn't like the BCS and thinks it's borke why would they want to use it as part of a system designed to replace the broke BCS?Comment
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I don't think the BCS system is broken...
I just think that picking the top 2 teams based off of the BCS rankings isn't the right thing to do, history has proven this.
if you pick the top 8 teams based off of the BCS ranking, you get the top 8 teams in the nation, which usually is a list that most people agree with, and you also have a way to seed the teams.Comment
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K Congrats. Then if it's not broke why fix it? And why exapnd to only 8 teams? Why not 16? Why not 6(with Byes)?
8 is just an arbitrary number. . Doesn't seem to have any real purpose. Plus look through the seasons. How many times can you name 8 teams that had a LEGIT arument for the Nat'l Title?
The best solution I heard for keeping the BCS is take the Top 4 teams in the BCS provided they are the conference champs and have a 1v4 and 2v3 mathcup. Settle it that way.]Comment
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I think a good idea would be where you take the 6 main conferences and automatically have the conference champions be entered in the tournament. Then you take two other teams from any conference like Utah or say a team in the SEC that had a very god season but couldnt win the Conference.
So something like this
ACC winner
SEC winner
Big 12 winner
Big East winner
Big Ten winner
Pac Ten winner
At large team
At large team
Of course any idea will have some problems but I think this could be a good idea.Comment
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That's the most popular solution put forward and I'm not a fan of it. If you're going to do a playoff do it right and just be objective about it. Take every conference champ("BCS" Conference or not) and put them in the tourny and play it out. This at large BS is just going to give people an excuse to bitch and moan. If you just take conference champs then nobody can bitch and moan abotu not getting chosen. The only person they can blame is themselves for not taking care of business and winning games.Comment
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Because playoffs are better.
I'd be in favor of taking every conference champion and putting them in a playoff (plus however many at-large teams you need to make it viable format wise).
Id be in favor of taking the 6 BCS conference champs + 2 at-large (as determined by the BCS rankings) with an added amendment saying any undefeated team is an auto at-large. In the event of the undefeated non-BCS conference champs there's a play-in game (Pretty unlikely scenario though).
I don't disagree with the BCS rankings as much as I find it strange to pick only the top 2 teams. Too many variables to be that limiting. If they wanted to do top 16 I would be fine with that as well.
Is the #9 or #17 team going to complain, yup, but I don't really mind people complaining. I just want playoff games and a better system. Are we going to get a perfect system, no, but the best 8 teams playing it out is good enough for me.Comment
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the BCS can work if there is a concrete formula (which is open for anyone to learn/understand) to the process.
human opinion shouldn't be involved because humans quite simply cannot be trusted.
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Ok. Here's my plan.
Kind of long but try and stay with me.
For the purpose of this example treat the Independents as it's own conference.
Get rid of preseason polls and polls during the year.
Play the schedule.
Let the conferences decide Champions how they want. ie...Championship game, tiebreakers, whatever. The Conference decides how they name their champ.
You will then have Champs from:
ACC
Big 10
Big 12
Big East
Conf USA
Indys
MAC
Mtn West
Pac10
SEC
Sun Belt
WAC
Now once the 12 champions have been named then you have the pollsters rank the 12 teams in order to get your seeds. For the purpose of this example I used the Conf Champs from last year and acted as the pollster and seeded them myself.
1. Florida
2. Oklahoma
3. USC
4. Utah
5. Penn St
6. Va Tech
7. Boise St.
8. Cinci
9. Troy
10. Tulsa
11. Navy
12. Buffalo
The top 4 seeds get a bye and await the winners of Rd 1.
11 plays 12---1 awaits
5 plays 6--- 4 awaits
9 plays 10--- 2 awaits
7 plays 8--- 3 awaits
To keep the Bowls involved you have the 4 current BCS Bowls host games on a rotation.
For example: The #1 seed will play their 2nd Rd game in the Rose Bowl. The other 3 games play their games at other sites(perhaps even other bowl sites) The Semi-Finals will be played at the Sugar Bowl and The Orange Bowl. The Championship game will be played at the Fiesta Bowl.
The next year the BCS Bowls rotate. The Fiesta goes to the quarterfinal Rd. The Rose goes to the Semi's. And for this example the Sugar goes to the Finals. In later years the semi-final Bowl longest removed from the Championship game gets to advance to the host Championship Bowl Site.
All the other teams that don't make the tourny go on and can play normal bowl games the way they normally would.
I guess "subjective" human voting comes into play with the seeding but I suppose that's the one non-objective flaw here. But at least it's not deciding who is in and who is out. That's all decided on the field.
I'm off for the weekend. Have fun for 2 days shredding my idea. Just trying to find as objective a system as possible.Last edited by FirstTimer; 05-01-2009, 04:29 PM.Comment
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Top 6 conference champions with the top 2 teams getting a bye. Anything more would just shit in the face of college football. I laugh at people who put the Sun Belt champion in, though, lol.Comment
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I'm liking your plan Firsttimer, you almost have to include all conferences otherwise people will complain, but I guess some people don't seem to give a shit if people complain. Might as well keep the BCS then.Comment
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Yo you know what? FUCK communism.Comment
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