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For Pound for Pound (p4p) discussion
Basically the term p4p means that 2 fighters met at the same weight and kept there skill set and fought who would win, not of 1 fighter dropped weight and the other gained and fought at the same weight, but if somehow say Fedor fought GSP at 170 and keep his same skill set, or if GSP fought Fedor at his weight with the same skill set he fights normally at, it is a made up scenario.
Steel Mamba probably adheres to this formula the most because it started from boxing, but the only problem with that is fighters need to use there skill set against competition to see where what it really is. You can’t just look at a guy and say he has better skills than another fighter based off just looks, but that is still part of the equation and shouldnt be 'discredited', skill set is important
P4p has morphed into multiple things that should all be added to the big picture, overall skill set, wins and losses, level of competition and I like to add in finishing percentage when talking about MMA fighters, NHB/Vale Tudo/MMA was originally about finishing your opponent and I think we would do a great injustice to the sport if we don’t see which fighters actually finish fights instead of just winning on points.
Back in the boxing days, heavyweight were never in the p4p talks, it was mostly created for the light fighter because the HW champ was already considered the best fighter, so p4p was brought into the picture to give lighter fighter a fair shake. Only few heavies have been thrown in the p4p mix, Ali, maybe Tyson in his prime and Lennox has cracked the top 10 on occasion, but I don’t think many heavies have been the universally recognized p4p king
MMA was built on open weight tourneys, weight classes were added for the smaller fighters, but the sport still has open weight tourneys, etc, but no in US MMA
Now Fedor is an Ali type for MMA, it can and will be argued that he shouldn’t be because he is a heavy weight, but like Ali he cant be denied just based off weight, if you look at over all skills set, record, comp, etc…he is right in the 1 spot, Steel Mamba tries to fight it, but his flaw is he tries to do it with Anderson Silva where he can actually make a case for GSP
Overall skill set in MMA, you can throw in more, but basically you are looking at
Kicking range, punching range, defense in striking range, clinch game (knees, elbows dirty boxing, etc…) takedowns from the clinch, takedowns outside of clicnh range, takedown defense, ground game which is broken into 2 parts, top game (Ground and Pound, top control, subs from top, etc…) and bottom game (subs, reversals, defense, etc…), cardio and got to throw in intangibles (how a fighter deals with adversity, coming from behind, thinking on the fly)
Wins and Losses, simple enough
Level of competition, who has the fighter beat and how they beat them
Finishing your opponent
Basically the term p4p means that 2 fighters met at the same weight and kept there skill set and fought who would win, not of 1 fighter dropped weight and the other gained and fought at the same weight, but if somehow say Fedor fought GSP at 170 and keep his same skill set, or if GSP fought Fedor at his weight with the same skill set he fights normally at, it is a made up scenario.
Steel Mamba probably adheres to this formula the most because it started from boxing, but the only problem with that is fighters need to use there skill set against competition to see where what it really is. You can’t just look at a guy and say he has better skills than another fighter based off just looks, but that is still part of the equation and shouldnt be 'discredited', skill set is important
P4p has morphed into multiple things that should all be added to the big picture, overall skill set, wins and losses, level of competition and I like to add in finishing percentage when talking about MMA fighters, NHB/Vale Tudo/MMA was originally about finishing your opponent and I think we would do a great injustice to the sport if we don’t see which fighters actually finish fights instead of just winning on points.
Back in the boxing days, heavyweight were never in the p4p talks, it was mostly created for the light fighter because the HW champ was already considered the best fighter, so p4p was brought into the picture to give lighter fighter a fair shake. Only few heavies have been thrown in the p4p mix, Ali, maybe Tyson in his prime and Lennox has cracked the top 10 on occasion, but I don’t think many heavies have been the universally recognized p4p king
MMA was built on open weight tourneys, weight classes were added for the smaller fighters, but the sport still has open weight tourneys, etc, but no in US MMA
Now Fedor is an Ali type for MMA, it can and will be argued that he shouldn’t be because he is a heavy weight, but like Ali he cant be denied just based off weight, if you look at over all skills set, record, comp, etc…he is right in the 1 spot, Steel Mamba tries to fight it, but his flaw is he tries to do it with Anderson Silva where he can actually make a case for GSP
Overall skill set in MMA, you can throw in more, but basically you are looking at
Kicking range, punching range, defense in striking range, clinch game (knees, elbows dirty boxing, etc…) takedowns from the clinch, takedowns outside of clicnh range, takedown defense, ground game which is broken into 2 parts, top game (Ground and Pound, top control, subs from top, etc…) and bottom game (subs, reversals, defense, etc…), cardio and got to throw in intangibles (how a fighter deals with adversity, coming from behind, thinking on the fly)
Wins and Losses, simple enough
Level of competition, who has the fighter beat and how they beat them
Finishing your opponent
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