I think it's time Lance Armstrong made France his bitch again

[Senser81]

The line is blurred because it would be nearly impossible to separate his steroid use to recover from his illness and his steroid use making him a better cyclist.

Except that he used prescribed steroids to recover from cancer. You might have had a point if after Lance's recovery a number of other riders faked having life-threatening cancer in order to get this alleged "steroid performance boost" of yours...but since this didn't happen, you have no point.

You also have no specific evidence of anything. How long was Armstrong on steroids? How aggressive was his usage?

You make it seem as if Armstrong needed training wheels prior to recovering from cancer. He was actually the #1 ranked cyclist in the world, which was extremely impressive considering how young he was.

He was diagnosed with cancer in 1996, returned to cycling in 1997, but didn't win his first Tour de France until 1999. One would think that if Lance was aggressively using steroids during his cancer treatment, he would have won the Tour de France in 1997 and 1998 in record time. He struggled after he came back to cycling, and considered retiring.

[IamMedellin]

HA!

cant prove hes on steroids...

" the abscence of evidence is not the evidence of abscence"

JUICER!!!! LOL

[FirstTimer]

So you're saying that you don't see anything fishy with the disparity in his performance on the biggest cycling stage in the world before his illness and after his recovery, during which he admits to using steroids?

No. He took steroids prescribed by a doctor to recover from cancer treatment. I don't see anything fishy seeing as he's been tested and tested clean ever since his recovery and outside of baseless allegations from the French there is no proof he ever took them to aid athletic performance.

The line is blurred because it would be nearly impossible to separate his steroid use to recover from his illness and his steroid use making him a better cyclist.

No it's not blurred and it's easy to see the drawn line because once he returend to competition he was again under testing and always tested clean. This isn't that hard to grasp.

LOL at your argument hinging on Armstrong was lucky enough to nearly die and go through agressive chemo that broke his body down just so he coudl take prescribed steroids from a doctor to help recover.....then two years later win the Tour.

. I don't think that he was taking steroids to better himself at his sport, but rather that his taking steroids to recover from his illness helped make him the elite bike rider he became in his comeback.

He was an elite rider before he ever became ill. Ever think that perhaps the cancer in his body prevented him from training as well as he could have and held him back before his diagnosis?

Would taking steroids for six months or a year give him lifelong benefits? This is an honest question. If so, why would athletes continually use them in their professional careers when they could easily use them in their teens where they are not under the constant media attention?

Although Lance's success in the Tour was no where near as prominent before his cancer, he did pick up the World Cycling Championship and US National Championship in 1993. It's not as if he was some amateur who came from no where to win the Tour.

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Except that he used prescribed steroids to recover from cancer. You might have had a point if after Lance's recovery a number of other riders faked having life-threatening cancer in order to get this alleged "steroid performance boost" of yours...but since this didn't happen, you have no point.

You also have no specific evidence of anything. How long was Armstrong on steroids? How aggressive was his usage?

You make it seem as if Armstrong needed training wheels prior to recovering from cancer. He was actually the #1 ranked cyclist in the world, which was extremely impressive considering how young he was.

He was diagnosed with cancer in 1996, returned to cycling in 1997, but didn't win his first Tour de France until 1999. One would think that if Lance was aggressively using steroids during his cancer treatment, he would have won the Tour de France in 1997 and 1998 in record time. He struggled after he came back to cycling, and considered retiring.

Oh..

And this.

[FirstTimer]

HA!

cant prove hes on steroids...

" the abscence of evidence is not the evidence of abscence"

JUICER!!!! LOL

Umm the evidence of abscence is the clean tests................So you have no argument.

[IamMedellin]

Umm the evidence of abscence is the clean tests................So you have no argument.

lmao...And you Know he's juicing!!!

[FirstTimer]

lmao...And you Know he's juicing!!!

Actually no. All the evidence ever collected shows he's not.

[JBauerisGod]

Exactly. If he is taking steroids, he is by far the best athlete at concealing his usage. France would love to catch him red handed, but it just isn't going to happen because he doesn't dope.

When someone is as close to death as Lance was, they take on a new appreciation for life. They want to prove everyone wrong who say they cannot do this or will never do that. Who would have thought Lance would have not only came back to professional cycling but to also dominate the sport?

Anyway, they go into the mountains starting tomorrow. This is the first real test for Lance to see if he has any hopes at winning again.

[JBauerisGod]

Lance fell to third overall, eight seconds behind the leader and two seconds behind Contador. Contador broke away with a couple kilometers to go to pull back 21 seconds on Lance. Some first year rider who rode with a breakaway all day put on the yellow.

[JBauerisGod]

Lance all but assured himself a third place finish after today's climb at Mt. Ventoux. For a 37 year old guy coming out of retirement, that's pretty spectacular. He has announced that he will be racing in next year's Tour as well as a part of his new team, Team Radioshack.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I am sure Lance is one of the highest tested riders in the cycling world.

He's the most tested athlete on the planet.

France has been out to get him for years. He's tested, IIRC from some research I did a while back, three times as much as the next athlete on the list...which, I believe, recently, was Usain Bolt and other sprinters/runners.

If Lance was using - unless he uses of the most exotic designer, undetectable roids known to man - it'd be found out by now, considering how often he is tested.

He literally has an entire nation and an entire governing body of his sport after him...

Floyd Landis (whom I truly believe was clean), was simply busted based on pure ignorance of what was coming to him.

[Liquidrob]

He's the most tested athlete on the planet.

Josh Barnett is...

[Kuzzy Powers]

[quote=Liquidrob;581234]

He's the most tested athlete on the planet./QUOTE]

Josh Barnett is...

I know you were joking but im sure Barnett's been getting away with it for a while, so hes probably not tested enough.

[FedEx227]

I think it's about time Lance falls off his damn bike and is never heard from again.

Steroids or not, I can't stand the guy. He's a pompous, attention whoring asshole who can't stand not being the center of attention at all times.

Yes he has been tested plenty but there were some REAL odd occurances during his testing years including the infamous "oh, well... I have to shower before you test me" thing from a few years ago.

[JBauerisGod]

I think it's about time Lance falls off his damn bike and is never heard from again.

Steroids or not, I can't stand the guy. He's a pompous, attention whoring asshole who can't stand not being the center of attention at all times.

Yes he has been tested plenty but there were some REAL odd occurances during his testing years including the infamous "oh, well... I have to shower before you test me" thing from a few years ago.

^^^Must be from France

What the hell could Lance do in the span of thirty minutes to completely rid his body of steroids? Honestly. There would almost certainly be traces of the particular steroid in his body if he was doping right before the test regardless of if he took a shower or not.

For as arrogant as he may be, he did certainly play the team role this Tour. When it became apparent that Contador was the class of the field, Lance helped break Bradley Wiggins by sticking with him on one of the climbs while Contador rode away. Could Lance have kept up? Probably not. When Lance saw that Wiggins was completely wore down, he attacked and left Wiggins in the dust.

[FedEx227]

You have be French to hate lying, attention whore douchebags?