Floyd Mayweather's thoughts on UFC 103

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Nonetheless boxing ability > kicking ability. If you want to be a great standup fighter you're just not going to get by without true boxing skills anymore. The sport is evolving.

4 posts in a row FTW

it is only when close enough, if a kickboxer can stay on the outside and work a boxers leg or go up top, its over, just like if the boxer can get inside and close the distance and keep out of the clinch

there are ranges in fighting, kicking is the longest range, boxing is next and than its the clinch game, boxers only have the boxing range while the kickboxer has the kicking and clinch range in there favor

[Steel Mamba]

Boxing is not the only striking art with movement and footwork, Boxing is the focal point of boxing, it is a great striking art, but boxing only will get you tossed on your dome and subbed

Some of the stances and defenses are not good for MMA, you will get leg kicked, double legged, taken down from the clinch, etc...

Boxing gives you zero defense of leg kicks, zero defense on shots, zero defense or takedowns form the clinch, etc...those all have have to come into play to be able to 'box' in MMA

Chuck was an elite striker (In MMA) against grapplers, his TD defense made his striking great, it is a mix, without his college wrestling he wouldnt become a champ, of course he could have been more technical, but he didnt need it for who he was facing

Chuck > Any boxer fighting against who he was fighting at the time, thats why this sport is hard, thats why this sport is hard to judge, thats why this sport is hard to critque, there are way to many variables

Boxers are only getting hyped now because everyone wants to 'stand and bang' and they see some sloppy stuff out there, but they were not saying that 5-10 years ago when the TD was so quick, but guys are getting away from that so the old arguement is back

Of course a boxing 'WW' would destroy Kos if he wanted to stand there and trade like he has been, but if he shoots its over just like it would be 10 years ago

MMA'ers will never have the hands boxers have, probably ever, because you need to spend your time on MMA and not just 'boxing', boxers will always be better boxers, kickboxers will always be better kickboxers and MMAers will always be MMAers, the gap will close, but there will always be a gap

I agree with everything you said, except Chuck being an elite striker. If he was an elite striker I think he'd still be fighting today, but instead the technical striking of other fighters has risen and he didn't adapt to that change. So, that doesn't make him an elite striker if he could only dominate in that aspect when he was facing grapplers. That like saying a WR is great, but only when a LB is matched against him.

Also, when I'm talking about boxing in MMA, I mean MMA's form of boxing. But, for the most part a lot of the fundamentals do transfer over, the stance is just slightly different, the defense is going to be a bit different, and how you attack the body is different. For the most part a lot of the fundamentals are the same or just slightly adapted.

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I agree with everything you said, except Chuck being an elite striker. If he was an elite striker I think he'd still be fighting today, but instead the technical striking of other fighters has risen and he didn't adapt to that change. So, that doesn't make him an elite striker if he could only dominate in that aspect when he was facing grapplers. That like saying a WR is great, but only when a LB is matched against him.

Also, when I'm talking about boxing in MMA, I mean MMA's form of boxing. But, for the most part a lot of the fundamentals do transfer over, the stance is just slightly different, the defense is going to be a bit different, and how you attack the body is different. For the most part a lot of the fundamentals are the same or just slightly adapted.

he was an elite striker against grapplers in MMA, his game was tailored for grapplers, overall he was not, but against grapplers he was one of the best ever, he also KO'ed Overeem a very talented striker and Guy who is no slouch either, Chuck was great against grapplers and had KO power to hand with some technical strikers

tough to change your game when you have KO'd a bunch of guys and were a lot older and finally fighting some legit strikers

look at Chuck vs Tito compared to Rashad fighting Tito, Chuck beatdown Tito twice, just brutal, but Rashad couldnt do much against Tito, styles make fights, Chuck had his gameplan and it made him great

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Not sure why you posted that in this thread but that video gives me chills.

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I wish people would stop calling guys like Cro Cop a premiere striker, it just gives boxers/boxing fans more ammunition. Cro Cop had some amazing, probably the best kicks in the sport, but that does not make him a great striker. It just means that he can kick. The overall technical level of Cro Cops striking has never been up there with the best in MMA. If people stopped going to boxers and claiming that guys like Chuck or Cro Cop are the best strikers that the sport has to offer then they probably wouldn't be calling it a sideshow.

Mirko was a phenomenal kickboxer and one of the better K-1 fighters during K-1's 'golden age' of HWs. Hanging with and defeating legends like Ernesto Hoost, Peter Aerts, and Remy Bonjasky - all premier kickboxers (Hoost argued one of the GOAT) - before he was even a full-time fighter should be enough credentials as a top striker. Not many guys can do that. Period.

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how floyd see's MMA striking

[Steel Mamba]

Mirko was a phenomenal kickboxer and one of the better K-1 fighters during K-1's 'golden age' of HWs. Hanging with and defeating legends like Ernesto Hoost, Peter Aerts, and Remy Bonjasky - all premier kickboxers (Hoost argued one of the GOAT) - before he was even a full-time fighter should be enough credentials as a top striker. Not many guys can do that. Period.

Why can't he win anymore? We're talking MMA here, not kickboxing.

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Why can't he win anymore? We're talking MMA here, not kickboxing.

He'd have a better chance of winning if they weren't trying so hard to put his balls into his stomach (Kongo and Overeem). And CC is riding a 3-fight winning streak, so he is winning - just not against quality opponents. As for his deteriorating performance, maybe he's just gotten older and is past his prime? His once legendary TD defense hasn't been good at all, he's been injured a lot post-PRIDE and is still a relatively one sided fighter.

And I don't know how you can say Cro Cop isn't a good striker, but then I give you evidence of his ability, but then you discount it by saying 'we're talking MMA' as if he wasn't doing the exact same thing in PRIDE.

[Steel Mamba]

Legendary take down defense?

I don't consider what he did in another sport as evidence that he's a great striker in MMA. I just can't consider someone with poor footwork (which is crucial IMO), and average hands as a great striker.

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I don't consider what he did in another sport as evidence that he's a great striker in MMA. I just can't consider someone with poor footwork (which is crucial IMO), and average hands as a great striker.

Ok, to be honest with you striking is basically another word for boxing to me. lol, so maybe Rob is right, I might be looking at it a bit wrong.

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Cro Cop just hasnt been into it for a while, you can tell on his face, in his prime he was awesome and had great TD defense, probably not juicing either, who knows, guys just are not as good as time goes on, it happens, he is 36 and guys take way more of a beating competing in K-1 than MMA, he has some miles on him

Mamba you are crazy, you think Sherk is a great striker because he has pretty hands, lol

when you beat and KO guys like Igor, Aleks, Wand, Barnett, Heath, etc.. you're an elite striker, plus stopping TDs from Coleman, Randleman, Barnett, etc...means you have good TD defense

Cro Cops footwork isnt poor, he is more of a stalker, but he has shown very good footwork in the past

[Steel Mamba]

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ok??

Anyway I rest my case. Anyone that watched the fight last night cannot say that was elite level striking by Mirko Cro Cop.

[Steel Mamba]

Cro Cop just hasnt been into it for a while, you can tell on his face, in his prime he was awesome and had great TD defense, probably not juicing either, who knows, guys just are not as good as time goes on, it happens, he is 36 and guys take way more of a beating competing in K-1 than MMA, he has some miles on him

Mamba you are crazy, you think Sherk is a great striker because he has pretty hands, lol

when you beat and KO guys like Igor, Aleks, Wand, Barnett, Heath, etc.. you're an elite striker, plus stopping TDs from Coleman, Randleman, Barnett, etc...means you have good TD defense

Cro Cops footwork isnt poor, he is more of a stalker, but he has shown very good footwork in the past

Did he show good footwork last night, or any type of head movement?

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Anyway I rest my case. Anyone that watched the fight last night cannot say that was elite level striking by Mirko Cro Cop.

Agreed. CC has fallen off. He has not been the same since PRIDE died.

Prime CC = elite striker.

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ok??

Anyway I rest my case. Anyone that watched the fight last night cannot say that was elite level striking by Mirko Cro Cop.

what does last night fight have to do what he has shown in the past? no one here thought Cro Cop was what he was in his prime, thats why people kept saying 'I hope the old Cro Cop comes back'

watch his old fights, this has nothing to do with what he has done his last couple