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  • BigBucs
    Unpretentious
    • May 2009
    • 12758

    Golden Boy Challenges UFC, White

    Golden Boy Challenges UFC, White

    Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports posted an interesting piece this afternoon detailing the results of Mayweather-Marquez, in addition to Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer’s challenge to the UFC in regards to their PPV figures.

    Schaefer questioned the legitimacy of UFC pay-per-view results that were leaked. He said HBO is a publicly traded company that would face serious repercussions for releasing false numbers. The UFC, he noted, is a private company with no such concerns.



    “I think the UFC and boxing should be able to co-exist and work together in this thing that we call (combat) sports,” Schaefer said.



    “I don’t want to talk (expletive) about the UFC. But Dana White can’t do an interview without knocking boxing. If he thinks we’re idiots and don’t know anything about the pay-per-view business, I’ll make him a challenge.



    “I am willing to hire one of the top three accounting firms, at my expense, and do an audit of his pay-per-view results. They are nowhere near what is put into the public. There is talk that UFC 100 did 1.6 million, but it barely broke a million. I am willing to pay to have the audits done to prove this.”

    Payout Perspective:

    In poking at the 800 lbs. gorilla in the room, Golden Boy is guaranteeing their latest PPV success a host of additional press coverage. GB also knew that White wouldn’t accept the offer, and as a result, it would make the UFC look weak or scared. Schaefer and Golden Boy really have nothing to lose here.

    The challenge itself bears no real threat for the UFC – they can easily shrug it off – but there is an underlying what-if element here that could prove more troublesome in the future. This challenge may just be the first in a series of barbs meant to attack the credibility of the UFC and undermine the record year they’re having.

    While the allegations could very well be true, the bottom line is still that they’re coming from Richard Schaeffer – the CEO of Golden Boy and chief combat sports rival to the UFC. He’s a promoter – just like White – and publicity is what he does best. Take it with a grain of salt just as you might with anything that White says.




  • SHOGUN
    4 WR 1 RB 0 TE. 24/7/365.
    • Jul 2009
    • 11416

    #2
    Dana's response:

    White said he would not allow anyone other than fighters with a contractual right to do so to audit his numbers.

    “Do you think I’m (expletive) crazy?” he said.

    But he said he thought that the success of the UFC has forced boxing promoters to be better. He called himself a huge boxing fan and said he is pleased if he can help make the sport he grew up following closely better.

    He said the success of the two shows on the same night shows the interest in combat sports.

    “I’m a true boxing fan and I’m happy for them, but what that number they pulled shows is the promise of combat sports,” White said.

    “We’re kicking ass on pay-per-view. This was their second (major) pay- per-view. We do 13 a year, plus we put fights on free TV. Clearly, combat sports are more alive now than they’ve been in a long time.

    “This shows that people are willing to stay at home on a Saturday night and watch a good fight. Do I think they delivered a good fight?

    No. I think Mayweather is the best boxer in the world, and maybe one of the best of all-time, but that was a (expletive) fight. The thing we deliver is consistency, where once a show we give you that, ‘Holy (expletive),’ moment and you turn off the TV happy.”
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    I'm a sucker for controversy. I like that Golden Boy is challenging them. Competition makes everyone better.

     
    "Sometimes I just want to be with my family and watch movie and eat some popcorn. But when I step on the mat I know there is no other place I'd rather be." - Marcelo Garcia

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    • SHOGUN
      4 WR 1 RB 0 TE. 24/7/365.
      • Jul 2009
      • 11416

      #3
      And Kevin Iole sucks. He's a shill for the UFC.

       
      "Sometimes I just want to be with my family and watch movie and eat some popcorn. But when I step on the mat I know there is no other place I'd rather be." - Marcelo Garcia

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      • Epidemik
        Commitment to Excellence
        • Jul 2009
        • 10276

        #4
        Has Oscar De La Hoya said anything?

         

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        • Warner2BruceTD
          2011 Poster Of The Year
          • Mar 2009
          • 26142

          #5
          This is lame and desperate by Golden Boy...

          -It's the non-biased cable/sat industry auditors that put out the UFC estimates (and for boxing & everything else, too). Those cable industry estimates are almost always identical to what the UFC puts out.

          -It would be bad business for UFC to put out inflated figures, because the headliners are paid a percentage of the ppv revenue. If anything, UFC would under report. Duh.

          -Being a publically traded company dosen't mean shit, because the WWE is a publically traded company, and Vince McMahon puts out (slightly) inflated ppv figures all the time.

          The fact of the matter is, the UFC is going to increase their PPV buys for the 5th straight yet, and will beat HBO & WWE combined this year.

          What's funny here, is boxing has this inferiority complex, because of the precieved ass kicking they are getting, yet the two sports are drawing from two distinct audiences. I don't believe UFC has "stolen" a significant amount of ppv buys from boxing, and I don't believe boxing fans are giving up on boxing and jumping to UFC. I think the people who have given up on boxing are just spending their money on other things, and don't like UFC either. Boxing needs to win their own fans back. They arent watching UFC.

          The group that the UFC has clearly stolen buys from is wrestling. The numbers bear that out. White promotes his sport the exact same way old school wrestling promoters did things, and that style appeals to disenfranchised, frustrated wrestling fans. WWE RAW being the lead in for TUF 1 was the best thing that ever happened to Dana White, because wrestling fans stuck around and saw a wrestling show better than the one they just watched, and they were hooked.

          Yet Vince McMahon, never shy from a fight, refuses to accept that theory. Dana White also NEVER publically attacks wrestling or McMahon, who in reality, is his prime competitor (more than even other MMA promoters at this point).

          White admires McMahon, and grew up on wrestling. Because he understands wrestling and boxing, from a fan perspective, he "gets" what works. And he's followed the wrestling model instead of the boxing model. Tell me if this sounds like McMahon:

          -Always promote the company ahead of the stars, because the stars fade.

          -Always try to create new stars, because the stars fade.

          -Expose/create new stars on free TV, make them pay to watch those stars figt each other.

          -Attack competition, by taking their stars, or beating them head to head with loaded shows.

          It's the same model, and it works. UFC hasn't hurt boxing one bit, he's hurt Vince McMahon.

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          • Tailback U
            No substitute 4 strength.
            • Nov 2008
            • 10282

            #6
            So White watched the Mayweather/JMM fight?

            I'm sure he probably caught the replay or recorded it, but still worth noting.

            I'm tired of the boxing vs. MMA debate. The two sports are completely different to me and I enjoy both.

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            • nflman2033
              George Brett of VSN
              • Apr 2009
              • 2393

              #7
              i like it, if it means better boxing match ups

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              • Liquidrob
                Izzy is a bum
                • Feb 2009
                • 11785

                #8
                W2B is right, MMA has way to many goofball Pro Wrestling fans

                Anyway, not to be more of a Showtime shill, but they have the right idea, they dont look to divide the fan base, they want each others fans to watch both and thats the way to go because they promote both
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                • EmpireWF
                  Giants in the Super Bowl
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 24082

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Liquidrob
                  W2B is right, MMA has way to many goofball Pro Wrestling fans

                  Anyway, not to be more of a Showtime shill, but they have the right idea, they dont look to divide the fan base, they want each others fans to watch both and thats the way to go because they promote both
                  Of course Showtime will promote both since they air both. I think it's sad that last night during the Strikeforce Challenger's show, they promoted the NFL more than the Fedor/Rogers CBS show.

                  The UFC is (rightly) only in business for itself.


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                  • Warner2BruceTD
                    2011 Poster Of The Year
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 26142

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Liquidrob
                    W2B is right, MMA has way to many goofball Pro Wrestling fans
                    Most of the people who have given up on prowres and taken up MMA for that portion of their entertainment dollar aren't the goofball types. They are just new fans who are still learning the sport, because they were never exposed to it before TUF. TV is always the key.

                    Your typical goofball running around in his Stone Cold 3:16 t-shirt hates MMA.

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                    • Liquidrob
                      Izzy is a bum
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 11785

                      #11
                      Originally posted by EmpireWF
                      Of course Showtime will promote both since they air both. I think it's sad that last night during the Strikeforce Challenger's show, they promoted the NFL more than the Fedor/Rogers CBS show.

                      The UFC is (rightly) only in business for itself.
                      I don’t expect the UFC to promote boxing, that would be silly, but he probably shouldn’t be calling the boxing fan base 'stupid' for buying a boxing PPV and knocking fans of other sports who could potentially buy UFC PPV’s down the road

                      Dana White is becoming the Sarah Palin of sports; he is dividing the fans and rallying the base at the same time, lol
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                      • Warner2BruceTD
                        2011 Poster Of The Year
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 26142

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Liquidrob
                        I don’t expect the UFC to promote boxing, that would be silly, but he probably shouldn’t be calling the boxing fan base 'stupid' for buying a boxing PPV and knocking fans of other sports who could potentially buy UFC PPV’s down the road

                        Dana White is becoming the Sarah Palin of sports; he is dividing and rallying the base at the same time, lol
                        White tries to be nuetral when it comes to boxing, but he is who he is and his personality leads him into taking shots.

                        The best boxing promoter in the country right now would probably be Dana White. He is so light years ahead of the boxing promoters in terms of what draws the younger demos, and how to create stars. Boxing promoters do one thing well--soak every last dollar out of the one or two stars that can draw money. They won't start drawing new fans under 50 until they think outside their comfort zone and do new things.

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                        • Liquidrob
                          Izzy is a bum
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 11785

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
                          White tries to be nuetral when it comes to boxing, but he is who he is and his personality leads him into taking shots.

                          The best boxing promoter in the country right now would probably be Dana White. He is so light years ahead of the boxing promoters in terms of what draws the younger demos, and how to create stars. Boxing promoters do one thing well--soak every last dollar out of the one or two stars that can draw money. They won't start drawing new fans under 50 until they think outside their comfort zone and do new things.
                          Boxing has its issues, they need to get guys back on free TV like when you could watch really good fighters on ABC, or put bigger name fights on ESPN, etc...

                          HBO does a great job, Showtime has been stepping it up, but that doesnt reach the younger fan, MMA right now is so easy to access and watch, its every where, Spike, CBS, Versus, Showtime, etc...

                          You have to give the public some good fights for 'free', just cant charge $50 every time there is an interesting fight
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                          • Liquidrob
                            Izzy is a bum
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 11785

                            #14
                            Also what I just thought of, the Olympics isnt what it used to be, yeah you get a Phelps every now and than, but when the Olympics where must watch you always had a boxing star born, now people dont care about the Olympics, this isnt the cold war days when we trying to kick russia's and the other countries asses

                            Boxing fans from other countries get behind there guy, you dont really see that anymore with American boxers
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                            • Warner2BruceTD
                              2011 Poster Of The Year
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 26142

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Liquidrob
                              Boxing has its issues, they need to get guys back on free TV like when you could watch really good fighters on ABC, or put bigger name fights on ESPN, etc...

                              HBO does a great job, Showtime has been stepping it up, but that doesnt reach the younger fan, MMA right now is so easy to access and watch, its every where, Spike, CBS, Versus, Showtime, etc...

                              You have to give the public some good fights for 'free', just cant charge $50 every time there is an interesting fight
                              I agree with the free TV 100%. That's #1 for any combat sport. UFC was on the verge of going under before Spike/TUF. A good buyrate was 75k.

                              Another easy fix would be to start phasing out the old guard. Who is the face of boxing to the casual fan? Grey headed Jim Lampley and 100 year old Larry Merchant, who I believe is actually dead and being controlled by strings. Everyone is dressed like they are headed to a dinner party on the Titanic.

                              Now look at MMA. You have Joe Rogan, who isnt standing out there in a tux with a bow tie, and most importanty, he speaks the language of the douche in the Affliction shirt. You've got Mike Goldberg with his stupid spikey hair, Gus Johnson with his NFL/NBA cred, Mauro with his pop culture referances, etc etc. These guys speak the language, they connect with people under 60.

                              You have Max Kellerman staring you in the face (yeah, yeah, I know he works for Showtime, but you get the point). He's young, energetic, understands the sport, is passionate about it, etc. I'm not saying fire Lampley or Merchant or anyone else. Put Kellerman in the booth with Lampley and the dead puppet, just to sprinkle in a younger POV. Brian Kenney is another guy. He'd probably leave ESPN in a second if he got a good boxing gig with a big network.

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