Fedor Emelianenko is the most exciting HW since Mike Tyson

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I pass

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Since when has Carwin beat a legit heavyweight? JDS, Brown Pride, and even Brett Rogers have proven they are more legit and more worthy of a title shot than Carwin at this point. Dude has fought nothing but cans prior to Gonzaga and was close to losing that one had GG not decided to go for the takedown like an idiot. Carwin is a fine prospect, but he's still raw and at this point overhyped.
Sylvia ranked #4 on Sherdog prior to Fedor fight (an inactive Couture listed at #3)

Andre Arlovski ranked #2 on Sherdog prior to the Fedor fight.

I'm not just blowing smoke here.
I'd rather see Fedor/Rogers II than Big Nog/Fedor III (as much as it hurts me to say that) and please explain how the Cain/Fedor fight is interesting? Dude has sloppy hands, lacks power, has OK submission defense and doesn't have any high level wrestling that Fedor hasn't seen before. Yes, having Greg Jackson formulate a strategy for Fedor would be very interesting, but still I don't think Cain has the skillset to beat Fedor. It's not like he could use a hefty size/strength advantage like the other HWs.

I think it's safe to say that Sylvia is not who we thought he was. It doesn't matter that Fedor would be a favorite over guys like Carwin and Brock, again dominance is cleaning out your division and those are the guys he has to beat to clean it out.

let me ask you guys a question, what does 'since' mean to you?

lol, well you guys included Tyson in the debate so I just jumped in as well. Since Tyson, yeah no one touches Fedor I guess.

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you're right, besides mentioning him a couple times I never mentioned him once, lol

Haha, my bad only read the first few posts. Glad you didnt overlook the most exciting HW in MMA history.

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fedor's personality is about as exciting as watching paint dry. just saying

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This is a pretty easy and resounding Yes.

I still think its too late for Fedor to reach that Tyson level. I dont see him going on a number of years remaining this dominant and undefeated. Speed is his greatest asset and its usually the first thing to go.

Had Fedor been in the UFC say 3-4 years ago and maintained the dominance both MMA and Fedor would be held in MUCH higher regard and the entire sport would be different.

I mean when everyone knows your name , knows your image in a pre-internet , pre ESPN hype machine world you've been doing something special. Tyson was all over the place. He had youth , he had fear , he had that street cred , he had that odd charisma ,he had everything ON TOP of what he did in the ring.

Fedor is easily the the more exciting and dominant..simply because Mikes reign of terror ended short. Fedors has been going on for almost a decade. HUGE difference.
Ive been saying for years now in order for MMA to go to the next level it will have nothing to do with orgs or mgmnt or exclusive deals...it will have to be someone who either oozes charisma or has massive curiosity appeal on top of in ring dominance.

Its much easier for people to jump on a Kimbo or Lesnar bandwagon than it is a Fedor bandwagon.(sadly)

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I think it's safe to say that Sylvia is not who we thought he was. It doesn't matter that Fedor would be a favorite over guys like Carwin and Brock, again dominance is cleaning out your division and those are the guys he has to beat to clean it out.

First of all, Fedor doesn't 'need' to clean out anything. He's been doing it already his entire career. If that can't convince you, nothing will. Anderson Silva and GSP, while dominant, have not had such dominance over a lengthy period yet you're giving them credit for doing less work because as you put it:

Really for as dominant as Fedor has been guys like GSP and Silva have still done a better job of cleaning out their division than Fedor has.

Anderson Silva has not beaten Okami, Sexyama, Maia, Belfort, and going by your standards, nor has he fought Santiago, Misaki, Manhoef and Lawler. By your logic, Silva still has a ways to go cleaning out the 185'ers. GSP is the only one you can argue who has been as dominant in their class as Fedor, but he has not fought Shields or Diaz.

Secondly, this 'cleaning' out your division is air because it has damn near everything to do with organizations and obviously those in the UFC or other organizations can't truly 'clean out their respective divisions, only those they have in their organization. GSP most likely will never face Shields or Diaz. Anderson Silva will be too busy jumping from weight class to weight class and contemplating retirement to ever clean out the top 185 guys in the UFC, let alone the world. So why are you willing to give these two a pass, but discrediting Fedor for the exact same thing?

If your going to have standards for greatness, at least be consistent about it.

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First of all, Fedor doesn't 'need' to clean out anything. He's been doing it already his entire career. If that can't convince you, nothing will. Anderson Silva and GSP, while dominant, have not had such dominance over a lengthy period yet you're giving them credit for doing less work because as you put it:Anderson Silva has not beaten Okami, Sexyama, Maia, Belfort, and going by your standards, nor has he fought Santiago, Misaki, Manhoef and Lawler. By your logic, Silva still has a ways to go cleaning out the 185'ers. GSP is the only one you can argue who has been as dominant in their class as Fedor, but he has not fought Shields or Diaz.

Secondly, this 'cleaning' out your division is air because it has damn near everything to do with organizations and obviously those in the UFC or other organizations can't truly 'clean out their respective divisions, only those they have in their organization. GSP most likely will never face Shields or Diaz. Anderson Silva will be too busy jumping from weight class to weight class and contemplating retirement to ever clean out the top 185 guys in the UFC, let alone the world. So why are you willing to give these two a pass, but discrediting Fedor for the exact same thing?

If your going to have standards for greatness, at least be consistent about it.

Nah man you're missing the point. I wasn't trying to compare GSP/Silva to Fedor so I'm not going to bring what they have or haven't done into the debate. I was comparing Tyson to Fedor, saying Tyson has done a better job at cleaning out his division than Fedor has. Wouldn't you agree with that?

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I would say Mike 'cleared out' a very weak HW division where as Fedor beat the number 2 rated HW of all time twice, a prime Cro Cop and others during the best HW division in MMA's shorter history, only person he didnt get to was Josh Barnett and that was because of Josh, not Fedor

Not saying Barnett was ducking Fedor, but he didnt want to fight him until way later and tried to make a bunch of money and I dont blame him, thats all on Josh, not Fedor

The best person Mike ever beat is no where near the top HW ranks, the best guys he fought (Lewis and Holyfield) spanked him

MMA is a flavor of the month sport because guys dont get brought a long slowly, Brock has like 5 fights and everyone is going crazy to see him fight Fedor, Cain has a couple fights and Dana is already telling the world Fedor needs to beat Cain, Mir was almost out the door and he beat a 1-0 Brock and staph infected Nog and we are supposed to believe Mir is a big test for Fedor? or even better a 16-10 fighter who has been KO'd out of the HW division twice and LHW division once

Meanwhile, Fedor just keeps beating some of the all time greats, former champs in under a round and Zulu'ing fools from here to Japan for the last 8 years, but I am told to believe he doesnt fight anybody because there isnt a UFC logo on the mat

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CBS is showing the event online at CBS.com

http://www.cbs.com/sports/video/?pid=93g4yQJDEH7Ns6Ql2R3Mmkp__ZJ3Q1bU&vs=Mixed%20Martial%20Arts&play=true

The videos are at the bottom, here is 'the Punch', I didnt realize when it heppened, but the sound the punch made was awesome

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MMA is a flavor of the month sport because guys dont get brought a long slowly, Brock has like 5 fights and everyone is going crazy to see him fight Fedor, Cain has a couple fights and Dana is already telling the world Fedor needs to beat Cain, Mir was almost out the door and he beat a 1-0 Brock and staph infected Nog and we are supposed to believe Mir is a big test for Fedor? or even better a 16-10 fighter who has been KO'd out of the HW division twice and LHW division once

Meanwhile, Fedor just keeps beating some of the all time greats, former champs in under a round and Zulu'ing fools from here to Japan for the last 8 years, but I am told to believe he doesnt fight anybody because there isnt a UFC logo on the mat

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I would say Mike 'cleared out' a very weak HW division where as Fedor beat the number 2 rated HW of all time twice, a prime Cro Cop and others during the best HW division in MMA's shorter history, only person he didnt get to was Josh Barnett and that was because of Josh, not Fedor

Not saying Barnett was ducking Fedor, but he didnt want to fight him until way later and tried to make a bunch of money and I dont blame him, thats all on Josh, not Fedor

The best person Mike ever beat is no where near the top HW ranks, the best guys he fought (Lewis and Holyfield) spanked him

MMA is a flavor of the month sport because guys dont get brought a long slowly, Brock has like 5 fights and everyone is going crazy to see him fight Fedor, Cain has a couple fights and Dana is already telling the world Fedor needs to beat Cain, Mir was almost out the door and he beat a 1-0 Brock and staph infected Nog and we are supposed to believe Mir is a big test for Fedor? or even better a 16-10 fighter who has been KO'd out of the HW division twice and LHW division once

Meanwhile, Fedor just keeps beating some of the all time greats, former champs in under a round and Zulu'ing fools from here to Japan for the last 8 years, but I am told to believe he doesnt fight anybody because there isnt a UFC logo on the mat

There is a certain level of truthiness (and by certain level, I mean ALL) to all of the bold and it is what I say to basically everyone who doubts Fedor...a buddy of mine at work talks mad shit about Fedor...knows I am a huge Fedor fan...and knows nothing of rationale thought on the matter and this is what I say to him and everyone who doubts Fedor's legitimacy based on playing the game outside of the UFC (his typical rebuttle is "Would you think Peyton Manning is a great QB if he played in the CFL?" - to which he receives a slap in the face for straw men arguments).

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