PacMan...you dirty brah?

[EmpireWF]

Pac's camp said they would agree to any blood testing required as long as it's handled by the Nevada Commission.

[nflman2033]

lol, what a big joke

[Steel Mamba]

So, let me get this straight, Paq is saying he is willing to do more than 3 blood tests plus all the urine tests, but all he wants is just some rule of saying they won't take it right before the fight and PBF is saying no. Again, who is trying to avoid this fight?

lol, so he's willing to take the tests, but he's only willing to do them on his exact dates and nothing else. That trumps the entire purpose of the test. That's fair? That doesn't raise any suspicion?

He's willing to take the test in Jan, Feb 13, no sooner or later, and then after the fight. They're unwilling to accept any other dates than the ones they're demanding... Nope, not the least bit suspect..

[Steel Mamba]

Well, by the sound of it, Paq is quite pissed and unwilling to even get the terms mediated by John McCain. He looks to be pushing heavily for a defamation lawsuit to be filed against PBF, although he did say:

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lol @ Pac getting his panties in a bunch. I don't want to fight you, but I'll take you to court. lol

[Liquidrob]

taking it to court sounds to much like Roger Clemens to me

[EmpireWF]

lol @ Pac getting his panties in a bunch. I don't want to fight you, but I'll take you to court. lol

Frankly, it's Mayweather who refuses to budge and compromise, all the while implying that Pacquiao has made it to where he is with illegal drugs.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Money May already has PacMan shook...already got Pac off his game with this nonsense.

Pac is looking foolish, trying to deflect the real story and in turn trying to file slander charges against the Mayweathers...

Pac is acting like a woman right now, overreacting and not sitting back and thinking clearly...he is just throwing a bunch of noise in the direction of the media and hoping something else sticks.

Whether or not he is dirty is irrelevant at this point...the fact is, is that he LOOKS dirty in the public's eye because he is doing everything in his power to divert from the subject, throw a hole bunch of noise, stories, and junk out there and hopefully the media picks up on something else.

Round 1 goes to Money May, because dude already has PacMan shook.

[DJ Fog]

MoneyMay is a scared bitch.

I will believe that until someone can tell me how taking blood test immediately following the fight would not suffice.

[Tailback U]

True, some people still haven't caught on to this part yet tho. The latter part I do not believe is true, you're suppose to cycle on/off with hgh. If Pac is using he would set it up whereas his off cycle begins prior to fight night. So he would get the benefits and be off and have it out of his system come fight night. So again scheduled test does not address the problem.

For HGH to have any significant strength, size, and endurance benefits you must be running it for at least 8 weeks. Guys typically run it for 6 months straight.

Secondly, there are no tests that positively test for HGH because males naturally produce HGH and that range is enormous and varies from person to person. They can say "we found his HGH levels to be higher than the average male" but that doesn't automatically mean a person is using HGH, it could easily mean that the person naturally produces more growth hormone than the average male.

HGH does have a very short half life and can be out of your system within a couple of days, but if Pac is going to be tested within 48 hours of the fight all he would have to do is stop his injections a couple days before that and he'll pass the test with little drop off.

Human Growth Hormone

Pharmaceutical Name: Somatotrophin
Effective dose: 6-12 IU/day in combination with androgens and insulin for muscle growth, 3-6 IU/day for fat loss purposes
Average Street-price: $50 for 4 IU
Available Doses: 2,3,4,10,12,16,24,72 IU vials for subcutaneous injection

Characteristics:

HGH is, unlike most hormones used by bodybuilders, not a steroid hormone, but a proteinaceous hormone made up of a chain of 191 amino acids. All animals have growth hormone, but each seems to be specific to the species. HGH was first isolated in the late 70's and early 80's as a biological form. The hormone was literally extracted from the pituitary of deceased individuals. As with anything extracted from carcasses this imposed a serious risk of contracting the Kreutzfeld-Jacob disease (since the late 90's best known as mad cow disease), a normally rare neural infliction that makes you spastic and can cause death over a period of no more than two weeks. Not exactly appealing. There also wasn't, understandably, much demand for such a compound on the black market. Late 80's early 90's geneticists succeeded in manufacturing a genetic form of HGH however, through a very complicated technique using mice genes and what have you not (I'm not a geneticist, don't ask me). This also seriously upped the price of the compound.

But around that time, mainly due to this safer form, some top-level athletes were taking an interest. With increasing drug tests making the most effective anabolics forbidden territory, a pharmaceutical race to find replacement compounds that could not be detected had begun. And since then several athletes have and are still using HGH. It's a very mythical compound, since professionals will use it in high doses and make obvious improvements, yet most recreational users seeking to try it have to settle for lower doses and get little if anything out of it in terms of lean muscle mass increases. Along with several human studies1,2 that clearly document that HGH administration offers us no benefit in this aspect, it makes one wonder. Its terribly expensive and most people seem to get nothing out of it. So is it really worth it when extremely effective steroids can be bought for the proverbial nickel and dime? I don't think so, but I'll get back to that later.

So what is GH useful for? Well first of all its effects on reducing bodyfat have been well-documented. Daily doses of 3 to 6 IU injected subcutaneous have actually been shown to spot reduce bodyfat mass and have, at least for some athletes, proven invaluable in contest preparation time. This dose, for short periods of time, may be somewhat affordable to a truly dedicated athlete. But one can still wonder if it is really worth it. GH has also been shown to elicit extremely positive effects on erythropoeisis3, the manufacture of red blood cells. The administration of GH in older athletes with a strong decline in GH levels has shown a severe improvement in endurance. Since levels of GH decline by half every decade, a person of 60 has roughly 15-20% of the GH he had at age twenty. So HGH is especially beneficial to older athletes regarding the effects on endurance. But just how effective superdosing HGH in younger top athletes is, no one really knows. It would be virtually undetectable as well, so no doubt this has been experimented with.

Now in regards to muscle mass, I've yet to see anything prove the contrary of what the studies I provided claimed. I've not seen HGH increase muscle mass at all. Then again, I've never seen anyone use 10-12 IU per day the way some top level professionals do. Some claim that HGH can cause hyperplasia rather than hypertrophy. Hypertrophy is the growth of muscle cells, hyperplasia is the division and thus multiplication of cells. The theory goes that this does not increase size immediately, but in due time, due to the increase in the amount of cells, when they all do hypertrophy under the influence of steroids and insulin, the result will be much greater. Of course one side-effects of HGH is that it seems to increase the size of everything, including bones (which gives very ugly protrusions in people who have no growth left in them) and intestines (which explains the incredible increase in gut size of professional bodybuilders, despite low body-fat percentages). Now these side-effects alone would allow for several pounds increase. Stack that with 3 grams per week of testosterone and an equal dose of other steroids, some insulin, lots of rest and 8000 calorie diets, and I really don't see how much the HGH contributed in creating the muscle-weight these athletes have. I mean amateur and recreational users top 260 pounds, fairly lean using 1 gram of test and 1 gram of other drugs per week, maybe some insulin. It seems to me at least that HGH is a royal waste of money. Even if it did contribute 3 or 4 pounds, is it worth a habit of 150 dollars per day? Not in my book.

In short, HGH may provide many benefits, but will rarely be worth the money. Top-level competitors, especially those subject to drug tests may find this to be worth it to give themselves and edge, most will not. HGH is a very effective compound with a lot to offer, but currently not really worth the money you'd pay for it. It is getting cheaper (In Europe the popular thing now is the 36 IU Genetonorm, selling for 50-60 bucks) but until manufacturing becomes more cost-effective, chances of prices reaching sane levels any time soon are not that high. What has been an interesting observation is the re-appearance of the old biological form. While all commercial forms had been discontinued, underground versions of the biological form have resurfaced. Previously despised, the chants of the top competitors claiming HGH is the holy grail of performance, many amateurs will now risk using this crude version to get some of that benefit for a cheaper price. Even if it means they have a high chance of dieing one of the most terrible deaths known to man. It's a funny world, eh?

Stacking and Use:

For the best results HGH should be stacked with any number of compounds. If at all possible the use of a serious steroid cycle, cytomel (T3) and insulin should be used. Not only do these promote the best results with HGH, HGH will allow for better results with them. It promotes the release if IGF-1 (insulin-like growth factor I) in the liver, which is an extremely anabolic hormone. In conjunction with insulin it will therefore promote extreme nutrient retention in the muscle cells, providing the perfect anabolic environment. Cytomel seems to give it a great deal to work with. Metabolism is increased, together they form a great fat-loss combo, but more nutrients now become available as well. Along with the nitrogen/protein retention of some strong anabolic steroids this should provide very good overall results. But one can't mistake HGH as some form of miracle cure. Its no better than these other compounds, and it won't turn the cycle into a miracle of muscle growth either. Some would think this because of the incredible cost, but nothing of the sort is true. It has equal use, it just costs a hell of a lot more. Which is my main reason in stating its simply not worth what you get out of it.

For all intents and purposes of increasing endurance and performance to some level, 3 to 6 IU will suffice. The same for most fat loss purposes. HGH has a very short half-life (30-45 minutes or so) and should be injected at least once daily, maybe twice daily if at all possible. For possibly more anabolic results due to its effects on freeing nutrients and increasing IGF-1 levels, 10-12 IU per day are needed for an extended period of time (10-15 weeks), usually in conjunction with other anabolic compounds. Its interesting to note that in your choice of anabolic, an aromatizing compound like testosterone should be given preference since estrogen has positive benefits on HGH as well.

[Tailback U]

Money May already has PacMan shook...already got Pac off his game with this nonsense.

Pac is looking foolish, trying to deflect the real story and in turn trying to file slander charges against the Mayweathers...

Pac is acting like a woman right now, overreacting and not sitting back and thinking clearly...he is just throwing a bunch of noise in the direction of the media and hoping something else sticks.

Whether or not he is dirty is irrelevant at this point...the fact is, is that he LOOKS dirty in the public's eye because he is doing everything in his power to divert from the subject, throw a hole bunch of noise, stories, and junk out there and hopefully the media picks up on something else.

Round 1 goes to Money May, because dude already has PacMan shook.

HA..what a joke. pac doesn't need mayweather. mayweather needs pac.

nobody wants to see mayweather fight anymore. everyone (except the black population) likes pac and everyone will continue to watch him no matter who he fights, unlike mayweather.

mayweather's done nothing but show the world that he is scared of pac. he thinks he is on drugs because he is scared of him. he is accusing him of using drugs because he is scared of him. if he wasn't scared then he wouldn't give a shit if pac was on drugs or not, he'd fight him because he's a fighter.

mayweather's a pussy ass bitch. asking pro boxers to get olympic testing is a bitch move. never been done before, why should they all of a sudden start now? he's hurting boxing with this bs.

[Mogriffjr]

HA..what a joke. pac doesn't need mayweather. mayweather needs pac.

nobody wants to see mayweather fight anymore. everyone (except the black population) likes pac and everyone will continue to watch him no matter who he fights, unlike mayweather.

mayweather's done nothing but show the world that he is scared of pac. he thinks he is on drugs because he is scared of him. he is accusing him of using drugs because he is scared of him. if he wasn't scared then he wouldn't give a shit if pac was on drugs or not, he'd fight him because he's a fighter.

mayweather's a pussy ass bitch. asking pro boxers to get olympic testing is a bitch move. never been done before, why should they all of a sudden start now? he's hurting boxing with this bs.

LMAO @ PBF needing Pacman

Floyd has been on top for so long and now he needs Pacman?

Pacman beats Floyd, that's his legacy.
Floyd beats PAcman, it CEMENTS his legacy.
See what I did there?

Shit it has been rumored for a while that it's kinda crazy how pacman's body looks from 107 (I believe) up to 145...

PBF has so much to lose IF he lost the fight. His ego, the way he talks shit would all take a hit if he lost...he wants it to be fair as possible...and it's not like Pacman would be the only one getting tested...it's both. Pacman is superstitious and all this shit...fuck outta here...I guess PBF is scared to lose strength if he gets a lil blood drawn too?

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

HA..what a joke. pac doesn't need mayweather. mayweather needs pac.

nobody wants to see mayweather fight anymore. everyone (except the black population) likes pac and everyone will continue to watch him no matter who he fights, unlike mayweather.

mayweather's done nothing but show the world that he is scared of pac. he thinks he is on drugs because he is scared of him. he is accusing him of using drugs because he is scared of him. if he wasn't scared then he wouldn't give a shit if pac was on drugs or not, he'd fight him because he's a fighter.

mayweather's a pussy ass bitch. asking pro boxers to get olympic testing is a bitch move. never been done before, why should they all of a sudden start now? he's hurting boxing with this bs.

ROFLcopter.

F-

[Liquidrob]

Mayweather is being smart actually, with all the recent problems in sports with PED's he can ask for as many tests as he wants and if Pac refuses he can just say 'what are you hiding?', he cant lose with this arguement IMO, he actually can come off as a guy leading the way for 'fair play' in sports, I think he is just fucking with Pacman, but its a smart play to get what he wants and control the media at the same time

[Warner2BruceTD]

Its pretty obvious pbf dosent want the fight. He is counting on the public not understanding how ped testing works, and based on this thread, it worked. How any can side with pdf here is pretty astounding.

[Liquidrob]

Its pretty obvious pbf dosent want the fight. He is counting on the public not understanding how ped testing works, and based on this thread, it worked. How any can side with pdf here is pretty astounding.

Like I said in the post above you, he cant lose this arguement with the media and fans, with all the recent PED issues in sports he can ask for a test 10 times a day, every day up until fight time and if Pac doesnt accept he can just say 'What are you trying to hide?