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Good move by Tampa Bay.
With only one year left on his deal, Gagne will be motivated.My Twitch video link: http://www.twitch.tv/dave374000
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Bringing in Mez and Walker at a 5.7 mill cap hit to let go of Gagne at 5.2 doesn't make sense to me.Comment
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Clearly a salary dump for the Flyers. No surprise the Flyers got shit for a return because every GM in the NHL knew the Flyers were over the cap and needed to dump salary.
I'm going to miss Gagne but his injury history lately was scary. Just have to hope these other guys step up to replace his scoring (Hartnell, Zherdev, Leino, Carter).
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Who said anything about toughness in regards to Zherdev?Originally posted by devilzrule27Comment
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I couldn't care less about adding more toughness, the Flyers had enough toughness last year and it worked out fine. They just gave away one of the best 2-way forwards in the game for nothing, yes he's had some injury problems but he's still a very productive player.
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I feel like we have a bunch of moronic Flyers fans.
We were getting rid of Gagne for cap space. Yeah we could have done better, but don't be surprised if Gagne comes back next season to retire a Flyer on a much smaller contract. Think of it almost as a loan.
Remember that it was pretty much Parent and a 2nd rounder for Meszaros. Meszaros >>>>>> Parent. Parent was a virus.
The Flyers will send down Walker unless we get rid of Kimmo or clear more cap space with a Coburn like trade, next year is huge for our FAs. No way we keep his 1.7m contract on the roster to sit on the bench.
This is exactly what us Flyers fans wanted, we wanted to clear space. What's the big deal? And for the people that are "surprised" that we're going off toughness, come on now, we've done that historically, just took a break recently. Zherdev <<<< Gagne, but maybe he can stay healthy. Hell, I love Gagne to death, but is his contract worth it for a goal scorer who missed 24 games and only had 17 goals?sigpicComment
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It just makes me wonder how bad the Kings offer was if this is what Homer took....I highly doubt they trade Kimmo or Braydon, the whole point of this off-season so far was to improve the defense so we don't have to see a Parent/Krajicek combo on the ice in the play-offs againComment
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Our number one goal was to re-up Leighton or sign a young solid starter.
We don't have Parent, and Bartulis will get playing time with Krajicek, so I have no idea where you're getting with that.
With Kimmo gone we'd have:
Pronger/Carle
No comments needed.
Coburn/O'Donnell
All Coburn needs is somebody like Sean O'Donnell. Maybe O'Donnell can be the fire to the ass that Coburn needs to live up to his potential. Look at what he did with Doughty.
Walker/Meszaros
With Kimmo gone, we'd have ~7mil in cap space. If we could bring in a winger like Bobby Ryan for ~4.5 mil, we'd have nice money to spend on either a goalie or a defenceman.Last edited by Berowsk; 07-19-2010, 04:34 PM.sigpicComment
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Had no idea Ryan's pull would be that much.Originally posted by Drake17
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Bobby Ryan isn't gonna happen....even though the all-knowing Tim Pannacio says that's what they're trying for. The Flyers philosophy for the past twenty years is to sign patchwork goalies and hope the team in front of him wins it, and with the Flyers having no high-end prospects I don't see that changing.
I was hoping to at least get back a third-line winger from the Gagne trade since here's what the lines may look like as of now:
Zherdev/Richards/Carter(?)
Hartnell/Briere/Leino
JVR/Giroux/Carcillo(?)
Lapperriere/Betts/Shelley(?)
I guess that's not as bad as I thought, but it depends on Carter learning how to play on the wing and Zherdev being productive...Last edited by wingsfan77; 07-19-2010, 07:59 PM.Comment
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Nice little piece about Gagne here, basically says that Gagne will expect to be with the Lightning for longer than 1 year.
There’s a reason why fans and media members embraced Simon Gagne. On the ice, Gagne was a solid two-way player and exceptional goal-scorer who represented the organization with class and dignity.
Off the ice, win or lose, great game or awful one, No. 12 always talked. Always. Not once did Gagne ever say to me, “I just don’t feel like it.” While he may have said all the right things in our exclusive conversation on Wachovia SportsNite, he was clearly disappointed and upset that he couldn’t leave Philadelphia on his own terms. So what was true and what was myth?
There were a handful of teams, maybe five or six, that Gagne was actually willing to waive his no-trade clause for. That’s it. Gagne was becoming bothered by all the rumors floating around, and at times shielded himself from the distraction.
While he wouldn’t specifically spell out every team, despite various published reports, the Los Angeles Kings were not an option. He was never asked to consider a trade to LA, and there wasn’t a deal on the table to his knowledge. In fact, Gagne wasn’t too keen on joining a team in the Western Conference, an element I’m finding is at the top of a guy’s list when it comes to signing a contract or approving a trade – they don’t like the travel, especially when they’ve played their entire careers in the Eastern Time Zone and especially those who reside here during the offseason.
What were Gagne’s main deciding factors? Would you believe: cap space. Ironically, he didn’t want to be with a team in a similar situation the Flyers had put themselves for a couple of reasons. Primarily, he is not looking at this as a one-year rental. That may or may not be the situation in Tampa Bay, but he wanted to know that there would be plenty of cap room to sign a multi-year contract past this upcoming season.
Surprisingly, the Detroit Red Wings had expressed interest and wanted to add Gagne, but with less than $4 million in cap space, the idea of joining one of the most successful franchises in hockey didn’t seem too appealing. The same can be said for his hometown Montreal Canadiens.
Ironically, it was conversations with former Red Wing and Tampa GM Steve Yzerman sold him on the idea that he could become part of the Lightning’s rebuilding process, and Gagne feels they are a playoff team that will only get better.
Gagne learned a no-trade clause has its limitations and it’s not exactly iron clad. He made it quite clear a few weeks ago he did not waive his no-trade clause, nor did he want to, but over time, there was more and more pressure for him to do so.
As he told the Flyers’ media, “I pretty much had no choice.”
He believed loyalty, tenure and returning from injury earlier than expected in this year’s playoffs would hold merit. Still, Gagne wanted some control over the situation and he, along with his agent Bob Sauve, got involved to find a trade that would be in their best interest. (In case you’re wondering, the Lightning actually facilitated this deal.)
Clearly, the Flyers wanted to improve their defense, and by doing so, they had to clear some significant salary following the trade for Andrej Meszaros. Before this all happened, I thought Gagne and Scott Hartnell were the likely candidates. But Hartnell has three years left on a six-year deal, whereas Gagne was expendable. He’s a free agent after 2010-11, and he’s not the only one.
Jeff Carter, Claude Giroux, and Ville Leino are also in the final year of their current contracts, and with nearly $47 million already committed to next season, Gagne was clearly the odd-man out.
Gagne said if there’s one thing he would tell those younger players, try to sign a long-term contract, like Mike Richards’ who inked a 12-year deal, $60-million deal that won’t expire until 2020, tenure is almost more valuable than having a NTC.
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Had to post this:
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