Boxing fans unite, James Toney is here to save you!

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Tamura vs a boxer

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEDofr3iU8Y[/ame]

Gene Lebell old school fight vs a boxer

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[Warner2BruceTD]

Mamba, are you suggesting Randy should have carried Toney for the purpose of entertainment? I thought you hated pro wrestling?

[JayDizzle]

Mamba, are you suggesting Randy should have carried Toney for the purpose of entertainment? I thought you hated pro wrestling?

Just look at it from the Rocky III Principle: People pay good money to see the freakshow and demand to be entertained.

While you can just do what you do best and win the fight, it's expected of you to put on a good show for the audience.

...in this case, nobody was going to win other than Couture and Toney getting their cut of the purse.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Just look at it from the Rocky III Principle: People pay good money to see the freakshow and demand to be entertained.

While you can just do what you do best and win the fight, it's expected of you to put on a good show for the audience.

...in this case, nobody was going to win other than Couture and Toney getting their cut of the purse.

No.

Maybe in Japan where the sport is an offshoot of pro wrestling and entertainment is always #1, especially if its Minowaman or somebody like that, but in America, you don't play around and do that shit. You enter the cage, and beat your opponent as quickly and efficiently as possible. Athletic commissions have suspended guys in the past for carrying opponents. Makes no sense for Couture to intentionally stand up and give Toney a chance to land a knockout blow, that's garbage.

[Kuzzy Powers]

People are calling for the semi-fix? I love it.

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from eastsideboxing.com

Toney easily defeated by Couture

By Rob Smith: In James Toney's first fight in the UFC, he was dominated and easily taken out by Randy Couture tonight in the 1st round. Toney was taken down and then wrapped up quickly in a choke that he had no clue how to get out of. Toney then tapped out rather than being choked out. The referee stopped the one-sided match at 3:19. Toney didn't have the wrestling skills to compete. Had this been a stand up fight, he would easily won but MMA is mostly wrestling and submission holds and it takes too long to learn how to beat the better fighters like Couture. Toney never really had a chance because the 47-year-old Couture didn't even try to do any stand up fighting. Instead, Couture took Toney down immediately and then chocked him. Couture is a former Olympic wrestler. Toney never had a chance in this fight if you want to call it that. It's wrestling. This is what Toney gets for trying wrestle with an expert like Couture. It would be interesting to see if Couture would agree to a straight up three round boxing match. My guess he won't even consider it. Toney would slaughter the old guy, as well as other MMA fighter in the sport

[Steel Mamba]

I love how Mamba and some boxing fans think boxers have magically KO powers, learn from the past, without TDD its a wrap, they win maybe 1 out of 100 fights against someone with a hint of takedown ability

This isnt rocket science, boxing doesnt give you TTD, it never will

I didn't say all that.. I'd just like to see a top pro boxer get a fair shake, you give them enough time to learn TDD and they can be very dangerous and bring even more excitement to MMA.

pretty sure the ufc just signed toney to a one fight deal... i doubt they would give two shits if he goes somewhere else

It was a multi-fight deal, 3 fight contract I believe. A guy like Toney would bring a lot of attention to SF if they got their hands on him, so probably wouldn't be best to put him on the world stage of MMA and then hand him off to the competition.

Mamba, are you suggesting Randy should have carried Toney for the purpose of entertainment? I thought you hated pro wrestling?

I don't hate pro wrestling, I just don't think elements of it have any place in MMA. So, I don't exactly mean he should have carried Toney. What I'm saying is that if he wanted to put the boxing world on notice and make a loud statement about MMA fighters, then he should have roughed Toney up. He flat out should have beat him up. Going for a TD so early into the fight is what everyone expected, so in the end the fight really made no difference, it ended up being rather pointless. So boxers and boxing fans aren't going to respect that. Now, you bloody the guy up a little and they all have no choice but to respect what happened and in the process you're also delivering an entertaining fight.

To be fair, yes it takes two to tango. It's Toney's fault for allowing Couture to secure that TD, but how much can a guy learn in less than a year? That's why I wish the UFC would give him at least one more fight. Brock drops his first UFC fight with minimal MMA experience and is right back in it against top comp. It was kinda funny tho seeing Toney's rendition of tapping out.

[CrimsonGhost56]

It was a multi-fight deal, 3 fight contract I believe. A guy like Toney would bring a lot of attention to SF if they got their hands on him, so probably wouldn't be best to put him on the world stage of MMA and then hand him off to the competition.

well of course he would but hes already been exposed as bum who has no business in MMA. just a freakshow, pure and simple. someone needs to ring up James Thompson for Toney. and i highly highly doubt toney is gonna go balls out training trying to get better, unless hes in some serious debt or something.

[CrimsonGhost56]

Dana White: "We won't be doing any more boxing" after James Toney's UFC 118 loss

You can call it the end of an era.

Granted, that era lasted all of 3 minutes and 19 seconds, but it's still over.

After James Toney (0-1 MMA, 0-1 UFC) was forced to tap out (or wave out, if you choose to be technical) in the first round of his UFC 118 contest with Randy Couture on Saturday night at Boston's TD Garden, White said he's done with boxers making their way to the organization – no matter who it is.

"I thought we answered this question in 1993, but James came out and he picked a fight," White said. "We answered the question again in 2010. I don't think it needs to be answered again. I don't care if it's (Floyd) Mayweather or anybody else."

It was in 1993 that a boxer appeared in the very first UFC event. Art Jimmerson's infamous one-gloved approach to the fight is an iconic image in the history of the sport.

Melton Bowen would later appear at UFC 4, where he was defeated by Steve Jennum.

Toney, of course, is one of boxing's all-time greats. But at 43 years old and 70 pounds heavier than he was at the time his illustrious prizefighting career began, "Lights Out" was simply too advanced in age to begin a real run at mixed martial arts success.

But White says he's not even interested in hiring a top boxer in his prime because single-disciplined fighters simply can't win in MMA.

"It's unfair to bring a guy in with one discipline, no matter if he's trained for eight or nine months," White said. "I wasn't the guy going out there and trying to badmouth boxing and take boxing down and hurt the sport of boxing. James Toney picked a fight, and he got one.

"I don't see [other boxers] ever doing that, coming out and whatever. James Toney is the guy that's crazy enough to come out and do this. He picked a fight, he got one, and we won't be doing any more boxing."

From the very day the fight was announced, White openly called the contest a "freak show." But the UFC boss admitted than even though he felt confident his Hall of Fame fighter would defeat Toney, as Saturday night approached, he became more and more tense.

"I didn't try to sell this thing as 'Tune in on Saturday night, and you're going to see the most spectacular battle or war,'" White said. "I basically said what I was hoping would happen. Anything can happen in a fight.

"We're not after boxing. We're not trying to attack boxing. I love boxing, and I thought this question was answered back in 1993, but I've got to be honest. As we got closer to the fight, my stomach hurt, and I was a little dizzy. I was nervous. Mixed martial arts stepped in there against a boxer, but at the end of the day, it's a fight. Anything can happen in a fight."

Some MMA observers believed a loss for Couture would have been catastrophic for the sport. White said his nervousness was based on something entirely different.

"What was I nervous about?" White asked. "That I'd have to deal with James Toney for the next year.

"It's been a fun ride with James. It's been very interesting. He's a nutty guy. I was nervous for that fight."

White made it clear he didn't want any of his comments regarding Toney to be considered a sign of disrespect. Instead, he held praise for the boxer even though he did duck out an a scheduled appointment at the evening's post-fight presser.

"He's a tough guy, and he's been around for a long time, and I love him," White said. "I have a lot of respect for James Toney. When you come in with one discipline, you can't expect the guy to come in and have great ground work. You know what? He stepped up. He wanted to do it, and he did it.

"He hung in there longer than I thought he would. I'm sure he was as prepared as he could be. Anybody that knows James Toney over the past few years knows that James isn't the most physically fit boxer on the planet. But let me tell you what, when I signed him in my office, he's lost a lot of weight since that day. He took it serious, he went out there, and he gave it a shot."

Nevertheless, that shot missed the mark, and White says he's done with Toney.

"He's the IBA and NABO heavyweight champion," White said. "He's a boxer, and that's what he does."

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I think KJ Noons would have put up 100x better of a fight than Toney's lard ass did. I am not sure if it was just him promoting the fight, but he did a great job at it. It felt like my team just won the Super Bowl seeing him tap out.

For somebody claiming he was going to knock somebody out for 2-3 months, you would have thought he would have gotten at least 1 punch on him. Publicity stunt or not, Toney looked absolutely helpless.

[Steel Mamba]

Dana White: "We won't be doing any more boxing" after James Toney's UFC 118 loss

And that's the big problem I have. Everyone else gets a fair chance except boxers. Dana knows boxers will take the sport over and demand too much money.

Toney sounds like he's still seriously interested in MMA, this was not a one and done for him simply to collect a paycheck.

http://fighthype.com/pages/content8313.html

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Toney got screwed, but if he asked for Randy first than he screwed himself, Cro Cop, Pat Berry or some other stand up guys would have been good to fight first

Toney should go to Strikeforce and fight Walker, or give him a stand up guy like Shane Del Rosario or Lavar Johnson

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Toney got screwed, but if he asked for Randy first than he screwed himself, Cro Cop, Pat Berry or some other stand up guys would have been good to fight first

Toney should go to Strikeforce and fight Walker, or give him a stand up guy like Shane Del Rosario or Lavar Johnson

Or just stop.

Maybe you can put him against Kimbo so Kimbo could go 2-0 v. former major boxing champions which would undo all of the good Ray Mercer beating Tim Sylvia did for these mopes.

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Why would Toney stop if he can make money?

He didnt take any damage, you can really fight MMA and not take huge ammounts of damage in most fights, Toney will more than likely loss by sub, so he can string this out

[Steel Mamba]

Kimbo is training for boxing now, it'll be interesting to see how the UFC handles Toney's contract. I still don't think they're going to release him. It might be years before Toney is free to fight somewhere else.