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  • Warner2BruceTD
    2011 Poster Of The Year
    • Mar 2009
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    Linear Champions In The Top 5 Weight Classes

    Meltzer put this together in this week's newsletter. UFC claims all 5, with the only viable dispute being heavyweight. But the paths are very interesting:

    Originally posted by WrestlingObserver
    With all the different organizations and claims of who is No. 1, there is an old fashioned way of determining who the real world champion is. It’s the linear test.


    The phrase, used more commonly in boxing, is the guy who beats the champion becomes the champion.


    In MMA, it is interesting at looking back at history because even when you are talking linear champions, you are still going to have aspects of controversy. You have to look no further than the oldest division in the sport, the heavyweights.


    With the exception of heavyweight, the current linear champion in the five major weight divisions is the person who today holds the UFC belt. But the line of getting there in all but one weight division is very different than the UFC title history.


    And even in heavyweight, because of a dispute on what constitutes a real victory in a match held ten years ago, you can make the case for Brock Lesnar as the linear champion.


    The first true heavyweight champion in this sport, before weight classes even existed in UFC, would be Ken Shamrock. The UFC debuted on November 12, 1993, in Denver, with a one-night tournament, won by Royce Gracie. The company’s first actual singles title match was on April 7, 1995, with Gracie vs. Shamrock for what was called the World superfight championship. The match, the longest in UFC history, went 36:06 before it was called off due to pay-per-view time running out, and ruled a draw. At the time, judges didn’t exist. Had their been judges, Shamrock, who weighed between 205 and 210 pounds, would have easily won the decision from the 180-pound Gracie.


    Gracie then dropped out of UFC, and on July 14, 1995, in Casper, Wyoming, Shamrock beat Dan Severn with a guillotine in a battle of the two men who were the two logical top fighters in the organization at the time, to become the first World superfight champion.


    Severn won a rematch on May 17, 1996, in Detroit, on a split decision in one of the worst fights in company history. When Mark Coleman beat Severn on February 7, 1997, the title was renamed the UFC heavyweight championship.


    While Lesnar holds that championship today, being the man who beat the man takes some interesting twists over history. The UFC belt passed from Coleman to Maurice Smith to Randy Couture, all in 1997. Couture then had money issues with the original UFC ownership group and went to Japan.


    The linear title would have left UFC with Couture, who lost via armbar to Enson Inoue in Tokyo on October 25, 1998. That linear title would go on to Mark Kerr and the Pride organization. Kerr then lost to Kazuyuki Fujita on May 1, 2000, and that’s where things get interesting.


    Fujita battered Kerr to win a decision in what was such a big upset at the time that most fans couldn’t even accept that it really happened. It was the first match for both men in an eight-man one-night event that was billed to crown the best fighter in the sport, the original Pride Grand Prix tournament.


    Fujita suffered a knee injury in the fight from ramming his knee into Kerr’s head so many times. He did come to the ring for his second fight, to collect the paycheck, and as soon as the bell rang, his corner threw in the towel in a match with Coleman. If we consider that a title change, and Coleman went on to win the tournament, the title stays with Pride until the closing of the organization in 2007.


    Coleman’s next loss was to Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, who later became Pride’s first world heavyweight champion. Nogueira held both the linear and Pride titles until losing to Fedor Emelianenko via decision on March 16, 2003.


    Nobody beat Emelianenko until June 26, 2010, in San Jose, when Fabricio Werdum submitted him with an armbar in 1:09 in a Strikeforce match.


    But UFC can make a claim that Lesnar is the rightful linear champion. If you throw out the Fujita loss to Coleman, since realistically, the match never took place, that title would also be in Japan, but go from Fujita to Mirko Cro Cop, to Nogueira, to Josh Barnett, and back to Nogueira. Somehow, due to timing issues, it avoids Emelianenko completely. Right there is the key argument about a linear title that isn’t promoted within the sport. If a linear title was recognized, the odds were Emelianenko would have fought for it during that period.


    Nogueira then left Pride and signed with UFC, and didn’t lose until December 27, 2008, to Frank Mir in Las Vegas. Mir then lost to Lesnar, the current UFC champion, at UFC 100 on July 11, 2009 in Las Vegas.


    In the light heavyweight division, the UFC title, at the time called the middleweight title, dates back to December 27, 1997, when Frank Shamrock beat Olympic gold medal winning wrestler Kevin Jackson with an armbar in 14 seconds in a match in Yokohama, Japan. Shamrock actually never lost another match until 2007. But it’s ridiculous to trace any legitimate claim to Shamrock past 2003, since that was the last time he fought as a light heavyweight. Shamrock, who mostly fought people cutting from 220 as a light heavyweight, would now be considered by today’s standards a medium sized welterweight. At the time, there was no middleweight division. He fought sparingly after vacating the UFC title at the end of 1999 due to more money being offered elsewhere, and was a middleweight when he lost to Renzo Gracie via disqualification in 2007.


    The most legitimate title claim would have remained with UFC, which filled the void after Shamrock left the company, with a April 14, 2000, match in Tokyo where Tito Ortiz beat Wanderlei Silva via decision. For the last decade, that title can be perfectly traced in the UFC cage to the championship held today when Mauricio “Shogun” Rua beat Lyoto Machida on May 8, 2010 in Montreal.


    The current UFC middleweight championship came from Murilo Bustamante beating Dave Menne via knockout in the second round on January 11, 2002, at the Mohegan Sun Casino in Uncasville, Conn. That linear title would today be held by Anderson Silva. But instead of winning it nearly four years ago, he would have won it four weeks ago.


    Bustamante left UFC in a contract dispute. While he lost to Quinton Jackson as a light heavyweight, his first loss in the weight class would have been to Dan Henderson, which ended up creating the Pride title, which was actually at 183 pounds. The linear title would take an interesting twist in Japan, to Kazuo Misaki (who beat Henderson in a non-title match), who then lost to Paulo Filho. After Pride went down in 2007, Filho was signed by WEC and won its middleweight championship. Filho’s only career loss was November 5, 2008, to Chael Sonnen, in what was supposed to be a WEC middleweight title match. Filho didn’t make weight but Sonnen beat him via decision in the match. If we go with Sonnen as the rightful champion, the linear belt would move to UFC when WEC dropped its middleweight division. Sonnen then lost to Demian Maia, who lost to Nate Marquardt. Marquardt lost to Sonnen, and the title does finally wind up with Silva on August 8, in Oakland, via fifth round triangle submission.


    The welterweight title was created on October 16, 1998, when Pat Miletich won a decision over Mikey Burnett at the UFC’s only event ever held in South America, in Sao Paolo, Brazil. It was first called the lightweight championship, but quickly was changed to the welterweight division.


    In those days, before Zuffa had purchased UFC, fighters didn’t have exclusive contracts, and Miletich as champion, fought on a February 2, 1999, SuperBrawl show in Honolulu, where he lost via triangle choke to Jutaro Nakao. Miletich was still UFC champion, and eventually lost to Carlos Newton in 2001. During his UFC title reign, he lost three times outside the UFC.


    The linear title still ends up with current UFC champion Georges St. Pierre, but there is a winding road there. Nakao lost in Japan to Tetsuji Kato, who lost to Hayato Sakurai, who lost to of all people, a 167-pound Anderson Silva on August 26, 2001. Silva lost in Japan to Daijyu Takase, who lost to Rodrigo Gracie, also in Japan. Gracie lost to B.J. Penn in Honolulu. Penn returned to UFC and lost to St. Pierre on March 4, 2006. This was prior to St. Pierre’s first title win over Matt Hughes on November 18, 2006, in Sacramento, Calif.


    In the past four-and-a-half years, St. Pierre only lost once, to Matt Serra, and immediately regained the title in the rematch.


    The current UFC lightweight championship can be traced back to February 23, 2001, when Jens Pulver won a majority decision over Caol Uno in Atlantic City, N.J. Since Miletich’s title was still being called lightweight, the 155-pound title was originally called the bantamweight title.


    A few months later, both titles had their name changes. Pulver also ended up in a financial dispute with UFC, and left the organization to fight elsewhere without losing the championship.


    Pulver’s first loss after winning the title was in Montreal, being knocked out in just 1:13 by Duane “Bang” Ludwig. Ludwig would go to Japan and lost by submission to Penn on May 22, 2004 in Tokyo. Penn would actually not lose a lightweight match until April 10, 2010 when he dropped the UFC title to Frankie Edgar. But Penn also never fought at lightweight between his win over Ludwig and a June 23, 2007, UFC win over Pulver in Las Vegas.
  • Liquidrob
    Izzy is a bum
    • Feb 2009
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    #2
    Article is not accurate

    HW is Werdum

    LW is KJ Noons or Aoki depending on if you 'count' the Nick Diaz win over Gomi that was rules a NC
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    • Liquidrob
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      #3
      I'm still trying to figure out how it 'skips' Fedor?

      Even if you don't count the loss to Coleman

      Fujita lost to Mirko in 8/19/2001

      Mirko lost to Nog 11/19/2003

      Nog lost to Fedor 12/31/2004

      I told you guy Meltzer was a hack and a Zuffa Zombie
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      • Liquidrob
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        #4
        Even the LW isnt right if you use the starting point as Pulver vs Uno like he is using

        Ludwig lost to Penn at 170, not a LW fight, Ludwig than lost to Frankie Edgar, Edgar lost to Maynard, Gray would still be the linear LW champ
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        • Liquidrob
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          #5
          From a poster on the UG, whistleblower

          whistleblower - The first definitively established LW World Championship in MMA history (in the first major LW division in MMA history) was created when Rumina Sato and Kaoru (Caol) Uno fought for the Shooto 152 Championship (which later increased to 154). At that point, Sato and Uno were the undisputed top-2 LW's in the world. (To thus form not just an official org. title, but a legitimate World Championship.)

          Uno upset the long-defining (and original) #1 LW in Sato to become #1 himself, and the Undisputed Champion of the division.

          Uno then loses to Marcio Cromado (although in a non-title fight - so while Cromado had rightfully taken the Championship lineage, Uno still remained the official Shooto titleholder up until he came over to the UFC).

          Cromado next loses to Mishima, who next loses to Gomi, who next loses to Hansen, who next loses to Shaolin, who next loses to Kawajiri, who next loses to Gomi in the first round of the Bushido LW GP (when Gomi and Kawajiri were universally ranked the top-2 LW's in the world, btw).

          And also at that point, starting with the Bushido GP - even if you want to disregard any and all prior Championship lineage in the division - the ultimate fact remains that the winner of that Bushido GP had become the completely Unified and Undisputed LW Champion of MMA. (So alternatively, that point could have originated a valid new Championship lineage all on its own.)

          Before Pride, there had been 2 major LW divisions in MMA history - Shooto's and then the UFC's. And there was no more LW division in the UFC at that point.

          Yves Edwards vs. Josh Thomson was actually supposed to be for the new UFC LW title - which had remained vacant since Jens had left with the title and the subsequent LW tournament then ended in the BJ-Uno draw - except the UFC decided to completely eliminate the LW division instead. So instead of being a title fight, Yves-Thomson ended up being the last UFC LW fight altogether.

          And so the UFC's last #1 LW in Yves (the uncrowned champ), as well as its last official champion in Jens, both entered that Bushido GP.

          As did the reigning Shooto 154 Champion (and also the Linear Champion) in Kawajiri. (With Pride's own #1 LW in Gomi of course being in it as well.)

          So that Bushido GP had actually collected together every major #1 candidate or preexisting Champion who was currently in the LW division - to thus unify every existing path at LW, and form a truly Undisputed Champion for the division.

          Which ended up being Gomi. (Who would have been the Linear Champion from the preexisting historical lineage anyway, once he beat Kawajiri).

          So at that point - following the Bushido GP - Gomi was without question the one Linear Champion, as well as the one reigning Undisputed Champion for the LW division. There was no one else still left in the LW division at that point who could even make a current claim to being the Champ there.

          But Gomi then loses to Aurelio, who next loses to Ishida, who next loses to Gomi - who had thus regained the LW World Championship, and was without question the Champion (as well as the universally ranked #1) at LW going into 2007.

          But then this is where things get messy.

          Gomi then loses to Nick Diaz - at which point, Diaz was without question the Linear Champ. But then the result is officially overturned into a no-contest because of Diaz's positive test for pot (a decision which I personally find extremely objectionable, btw).

          Thus by virtue of the official no-contest - i.e., that the fight officially did not even happen and there is no result - Gomi retains his Linear Championship. (Although if you still want to count the Gomi-Diaz fight and consider Diaz the de facto Linear Champion - Diaz next loses to KJ Noons, who hasn't lost since. So KJ Noons would have an alternative claim to being the de facto Linear Champion, if you include the Gomi-Diaz fight.)

          But excluding the Diaz fight through the official no-contest - Gomi next officially loses to Sergey Golyaev, who next loses to Eiji Mitsuoka, who next loses to Kazunori Yokota, who next loses to Kawajiri - who thus becomes the Linear LW Champion again.

          Kawajiri than would loss to Aoki
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          • Warner2BruceTD
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            #6
            Originally posted by Liquidrob
            I'm still trying to figure out how it 'skips' Fedor?

            Even if you don't count the loss to Coleman

            Fujita lost to Mirko in 8/19/2001

            Mirko lost to Nog 11/19/2003

            Nog lost to Fedor 12/31/2004

            I told you guy Meltzer was a hack and a Zuffa Zombie
            Yes, no matter how you slice the Fujita/Coleman fight, it all comes back to Fedor, then Werdum.

            Nog lost to Fedor before he lost to Barnett, in the rematch after the no contest.

            It's definately Werdum.

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            • Warner2BruceTD
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              #7
              Originally posted by Liquidrob
              Even the LW isnt right if you use the starting point as Pulver vs Uno like he is using

              Ludwig lost to Penn at 170, not a LW fight, Ludwig than lost to Frankie Edgar, Edgar lost to Maynard, Gray would still be the linear LW champ
              Ludwig never lost to Frankie Edgar.

              His losses after Penn are to Sammy Morgan, Tyson Griffin, Josh Thompson, Paul Daley, Gomi, Fancypants, Jim MIller, and Darrin Elkins (in that order). I'm at work, don't have time to look up weights for these fights or the Penn fight.

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              • Liquidrob
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                • Feb 2009
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                #8
                Warner, did you post the full article in the first post or has Meltzer changed it now?
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                • Liquidrob
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
                  Ludwig never lost to Frankie Edgar.

                  His losses after Penn are to Sammy Morgan, Tyson Griffin, Josh Thompson, Paul Daley, Gomi, Fancypants, Jim MIller, and Darrin Elkins (in that order). I'm at work, don't have time to look up weights for these fights or the Penn fight.
                  Sorry, skipped Griffin to Edgar, that was his next fight at LW

                  Ludwig lost to Griffin who lost to Edgar, Egar lost to Gray
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                  • Warner2BruceTD
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Liquidrob
                    Warner, did you post the full article in the first post or has Meltzer changed it now?
                    It was in the newsletter this week. It won't be changed, i'm sure someone will point out the fact he missed the Nog/Fedor II fight, and he'll print a correction next week.

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                    • Liquidrob
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                      • Feb 2009
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
                      It was in the newsletter this week. It won't be changed, i'm sure someone will point out the fact he missed the Nog/Fedor II fight, and he'll print a correction next week.
                      its really different than what he posted in Yahoo, took Brock out completely like he should have

                      He jacked it up completely in his newsletter than, he added the KJ Noons and Aoki lineage also
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                      • Warner2BruceTD
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Liquidrob
                        Sorry, skipped Griffin to Edgar, that was his next fight at LW

                        Ludwig lost to Griffin who lost to Edgar, Egar lost to Gray
                        Yeah, I was just going to post this. Griffin was the missing link.

                        I'm interested to see what people think about that weight, whether they belive it should start with Pulver or with the Sato/Uno fight. Shooto is the oldest org in the world, I don't really remember if it was considerd "major league" in those days (it isnt now), but it doesnt really matter since most considered those two fighters the best at that time.

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                        • Warner2BruceTD
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Liquidrob
                          its really different than what he posted in Yahoo, took Brock out completely like he should have

                          He jacked it up completely in his newsletter than, he added the KJ Noons and Aoki lineage also
                          I'm thinking he posted the newsletter artcle first, then fixed his mistakes for yahoo. Let me go grab the date from the newsletter.

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                          • Warner2BruceTD
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                            #14
                            The newsletter is cover dated September 8th, meaning he wrote the article IN THE FUTURE.

                            I think he writes the newsletters on Tuesday/Wedsneday, so he originally wrote the article on Aug 31 or Sept 1. Cover dates are always Wednesdays, because he mails them out on Friday. But he puts them online immediately, which is where I read it, I stopped waiting for hardcopies years ago.

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                            • Warner2BruceTD
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                              #15
                              In last week’s linear title story, we had an error. If you take the heavyweight title and the Kazuyuki Fujita win over Mark Kerr but not the loss to Mark Coleman, both on May 1, 2000, since the latter match actually didn’t happen, the end of that line winds up with Fabricio Werdum, not Brock Lesnar. Fujita lost to Mirko Cro Cop, who lost to Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. However, Nogueira lost to Fedor Emelianenko for the second time on December 31, 2004, in Japan, and Emelianenko didn’t lose until the Werdum fight.

                              Also, in the lightweight story, even though B.J. Penn beat Duane Ludwig, that match when it took place was a welterweight match, not a lightweight match. The whole lightweight situation is tough because Penn, who was probably the best lightweight at the time, was fighting at welterweight. The best lightweights besides Penn were fighting in 2005 in the Pride Grand Prix, since UFC did some lightweight fights but didn’t even have a lightweight division. However, Pride’s lightweight division was 161 pounds, not 155, which makes a difference. Takanori Gomi won the tournament, beating Luiz Azeredo in the finals on September 25, 2005. The linear title would then move to Marcus Aurelio (April 2, 2006), Mitsuhiro Ishida (June 4, 2006), Gomi (December 31, 2006), Sergey Golyaev (November 1, 2008 in one of the biggest upsets in modern MMA history), Eiji Mitsuoka (January 4, 2009), Kazunori Yokota (November 7, 2009), Tatsuya Kawajiri (December 31, 2009) and Shinya Aoki (July 10, 2010).

                              So the five best claims for linear world champion would be Fabricio Werdum at heavyweight, Shogun Rua at light heavyweight, Anderson Silva at middleweight, GSP at welterweight and Aoki at lightweight. I’m not sure what that means past interesting trivia, given that it’s hard to make a case for Werdum as the No. 1 heavyweight based on his overall record. Rua, Silva and GSP would be No. 1in their class as a major consensus. Hard to say who would be No. 1 at lightweight, but it sure shouldn’t be Aoki the way Gilbert Melendez ran through him. Melendez’s win over Aoki was before his win over Kawajiri. Edgar has two wins over Penn and only one loss in his career. The realistic No. 1, as if there can be such a thing when fighters don’t fight people from different companies, would be either Edgar, Gray Maynard (undefeated, has a win over Edgar but that’s also several years back and doesn’t have any wins as impressive as Edgar’s) or Melendez (two losses, both avenged, during his career, and solid win over Aoki, although I think a lot of the top lightweights would decision Aoki).

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