Cena/Sting HOF discussion

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  • Warner2BruceTD
    2011 Poster Of The Year
    • Mar 2009
    • 26142

    Cena/Sting HOF discussion

    I find these two careers to be very similar. Cena is a lock for the WWE HOF unless he burns his bridge with VKM at some point, which is highly unlikely.I think Sting will eventually get in as well, as soon as he is unaffiliated with TNA (assuming he would accept).

    But let's talk Wrestling Observer HOF. Sting has never really come close, but does get barely enough votes to at least stay on the ballot. Let's examine.

    We can debate his merits as a draw all day, but even Larry would concede he was never an elite, HOF caliber draw. He did pop the huge Starrcade 97 buyrate, and bumped Impact up a decent percentage when he returned to TNA. Those are his strongest credentials. His peak drawing period, oddly, was when he didn't wrestle for a year. The historians and old timers value drawing power over all else when they vote.

    Sting is considered an average (at best) worker. I believe that's unfair, as I feel he is very underated in that regard. He has had more good matches than he gets credit for, but very few all time classics, if any (vs Flair at Clash I ?).

    Intangibles include very good crowd reactions. Superstar level, in fact. But so does Matt Hardy. Lots of magazine covers, but most of them paid by WCW to help him get over, and none mainstream. Popular, but underwhelming merch sales. Probably precieved as a bigger star than he was, but still a significant figure of his era. Lots of World Titles, but mostly in an era where it means almost nothing. Long career at a high level.

    John Cena:

    Hard to judge as a draw. Works in an era where the brand name is the biggest draw, but is also undoubtably the face of that era. Still, while total revenue is up, ratings and buyrates are down from the prior era. What is his signature drawing match? Batista has the HHH feud/WM match, for example, that exceeded business and was a clear draw.

    Cena is considered a below average worker by almost anyone who has watched him. He pulls a good match out of his ass by current standards of his company, but rarely anything worth viewing twice.

    WWE pushes him as a mainstream star, but all of his movies are of the WWE Studio variety, and bomb badly. He's probably a slightly bigger mainstream name than Sting, but not enough to matter. He is an energetic guy and tireless PR man for the business. But does that matter? Tons of titles, but again, means nothing in his era. Best merchandice seller since Austin, maybe better.

    Where do you stand?
  • Point Blank
    Needs a hobby
    • Oct 2008
    • 14184

    #2
    The Sting days were The Cena era came when I stopped watching wrestling pretty much.

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    • EmpireWF
      Giants in the Super Bowl
      • Mar 2009
      • 24082

      #3
      If Sting hasn't received much support by now, he's not getting in.

      As for Cena, I still think it's too young in his career (even though he's headlined for five years) to stamp him as a definite. Figuring he'll be around for another 10, on top for most of that, I assume he'll do enough business to get in.


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      • SHOGUN
        4 WR 1 RB 0 TE. 24/7/365.
        • Jul 2009
        • 11416

        #4
        Sting will end up in that Hall of Very Good.

        Cena, no fucking way.

         
        "Sometimes I just want to be with my family and watch movie and eat some popcorn. But when I step on the mat I know there is no other place I'd rather be." - Marcelo Garcia

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        • Liquidrob
          Izzy is a bum
          • Feb 2009
          • 11785

          #5
          Sting should be because when I was a kid I remember the Road Warriors turning on him and did that clothesline of the top rope while the other guy held Sting on his shoulders, I think they screwed it up because he landed on his neck and head and I thought they killed him

          Put him in the hall!
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          • Liquidrob
            Izzy is a bum
            • Feb 2009
            • 11785

            #6
            lol, I just found it, it looks like Sting didnt land on his head, much different when I was a kid I guess

            @ 6:50, I love 'My god they broke his neck right there!'

            [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQJXFUPByfM[/ame]
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            • LiquidLarry2GhostWF
              Highwayman
              • Feb 2009
              • 15429

              #7
              The Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame is kind of a joke.

              I mean...a guy like Sting NOT in the Hall of Fame, yet...a ridiculous number of guys that shouldn't be worthy over a guy like Sting. Abdullah the Butcher...love Abby, but c'mon son!

              Good worker...no Dean Malenko, but he is a good worker with a real good number of highly touted matches.

              Popularity...well, listen, we can debate, as you said, but at the very least, the guy is a step below where I'd say he was at...he had a good run as a draw in the late 80's, IMO, the numbers were good for the time. Is he Hogan, Austin, Flair, Rock? No. Is he two notches below...probably.

              Cena...will probably get in, not nearly as worthy as Sting.

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