UFC Buys Strikeforce

[calgaryballer]

Strikeforce is dead, as a brand, as a promotion, they can call it Strikeforce until the showtime deal, or even after, it's Zuffa, just like the WEC was Zuffa

If this fucks up the April card and the HW GP I will be even more pissed, you know they will stop the GP because it's not a Zuffa thing to do, actually, I wonder if Showtime has the right just to not do the fights anymore, who knows

This isnt good for MMA, it just isnt, there really are no positives for the fans and the fighters, pay will stagnate, fighters will be shunned, yeah a couple great fighters might jump to the the and give us a good match up, but Dana is so full of shit, lol @ 'we need more fighters', they have been cutting more fighers than ever

Great 'free' title fights will be gone, more watered downed cards, etc...

I think it speaks volumes that Coker felt it was time to sell before they even completed a round of the HWGP. This was supposed to lead to an eventual PPV, which in theory, would rake in some fat cash. Wouldn't it make sense to get that done and then cash out? Pulling off a succesful PPV would also increase interest in the product, and if it wasn't the UFC, perhaps increase the ProElite bid

[Liquidrob]

SV&SE made the call, Coker isnt the majority owner

Just like if Zuffa sold the UFC, Dana has no choice in the matter

I hope Coker made some good money off of this and can keep being a presence in MMA, maybe he will head up the Japan Zuffa shows and be there guy

[calgaryballer]

SV&SE made the call, Coker isnt the majority owner

Just like if Zuffa sold the UFC, Dana has no choice in the matter

I hope Coker made some good money off of this and can keep being a presence in MMA, maybe he will head up the Japan Zuffa shows and be there guy

I'm sure they did. But they would have been seeing the same predictions for revenue etc that Coker did. This is obviously conjecture, but if it made more sense to sell now than after the PPV, there were obviously problems they were seeing with the HWGP

[Liquidrob]

whats crazy is how much 'luck' plays into a promotions ability to thrive or die

Good luck for Zuffa after being 45 mill in the hole, Vince alllows TUF to follow RAW, Griffin vs Bonnar is a 'war', WWE fans flock to watch

Bad luck for Strikeforce came one after another, Fedor pulls out of 2nd CBS card, all 3 fights on CBS go to boring decisions plus Hendo losses, Fedor losses, HW GP starts, Fedor losses again, it just never stopped

Zuffa is out of the 'luck' stage, but luck saved them in the the early stages, luck didnt happen for Strikeforce even with the right pieces in place

[Kuzzy Powers]

At what point is "luck" just smart business tho? Zuffa doing all those things were extremely smart business moves, especially putting TUF on after Raw.

[Liquidrob]

At what point is "luck" just smart business tho? Zuffa doing all those things were extremely smart business moves, especially putting TUF on after Raw.

Spike is the reason, Vince is a reason, if Griffin and Bonnar dont 'stand and bang' it might not be what it is

Going 45 mill in the hole and almost selling wasnt 'smart business'

[EmpireWF]

Rob, you can't blame the bad rating for the April 2010 CBS show on bad luck. The main event was not a ratings draw regardless of how the fight went.

Strikeforce could only do so much.

[Liquidrob]

Rob, you can't blame the bad rating for the April 2010 CBS show on bad luck. The main event was not a ratings draw regardless of how the fight went.

Strikeforce could only do so much.

It was supposed be a Fedor vs Werdum main event and a Hendo co-main, it would have done more than the first CBS show for Strikeforce, M-1/Fedor tanked it

M-1/Fedor screwed themselves in the long run by backing out of the CBS fight, bad luck for Strikeforce, the pieces were in place, the 'boring' fights just made it worse

[EmpireWF]

It isnt for creating a legit sport which it currently is not, please no NFL, MLB, NBA comparsions please, those are for idiots to use, you guys are smarter than that

It will always be compared to pro wrestling which is not a good thing the way they're going

The only MMA company that could be considered as true a "sport" in how it's match-ups are determined is Bellator. We've said that for a long time.

Everyone else is in the sports entertainment business.

[Liquidrob]

They were betting on Hendo KO'ing Jake and Fedor smashing Werdum which were the likely outcomes, but M-1 pulled out and Hendo got lay and prayed

When you are a new promotion luck is a huge factor, it just is, to deny it is crazy, it's a gamble and they lost pretty much every time

[EmpireWF]

They were betting on Hendo KO'ing Jake and Fedor smashing Werdum which were the likely outcomes, but M-1 pulled out and Hendo got lay and prayed

When you are a new promotion luck is a huge factor, it just is, to deny it is crazy, it's a gamble and they lost pretty much every time

They pretty much knew Fedor wasn't fighting in April 2010 as early as February. Have to assume they tried to find something else to add to the show even though it was stacked as is. When the main event slot on CBS was left to Dan Henderson, had to expect it wasn't going to be a gangbusters of a rating. Sucks they couldn't get Herschel for that one.

[Kuzzy Powers]

The only MMA company that could be considered as true a "sport" in how it's match-ups are determined is Bellator. We've said that for a long time.

Everyone else is in the sports entertainment business.

Yeah putting champions against cans isnt a "sports entertainment" trait at all..

[Kuzzy Powers]

Spike is the reason, Vince is a reason, if Griffin and Bonnar dont 'stand and bang' it might not be what it is

Going 45 mill in the hole and almost selling wasnt 'smart business'

So ZUFFA can just attribute all their success to luck?

[Liquidrob]

So ZUFFA can just attribute all their success to luck?

The majority of it, yes

[Warner2BruceTD]

Yeah putting champions against cans isnt a "sports entertainment" trait at all..

Bellator has these fighters under contract, they have to keep them busy and they have to make a living. I don't understand why people are so offended by the non title fights. Bellator is the closest thing to pure sport, but even actual sports are sports entertainment, depends how far you want to take it.

And rob is 100% right when he says Zuffa lucked out with TUF. Can't be denied. It was Vince's call, if he was having a bad day or had listened to Heyman and said no, who knows if UFC even exists today.