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The UFC HW belt is irrelevent

Unifying 2 meaningless belts just makes 1 meaningless belt

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Looks like Brett Rodgers might be added to the April 11th Showtime card for Strikeforce

Main Card Bouts (on Showtime):
-Frank Shamrock vs. Nick Diaz
-Josh Thomson vs. Gilbert Melendez
-Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos vs. Hitomi Akano
-Benji Radach vs. Scott Smith
-Brett Rogers vs. Ron Humphries

[Kuzzy Powers]

The UFC HW belt is irrelevent

Unifying 2 meaningless belts just makes 1 meaningless belt

Elaborate for me Rob.. the HW division actually has some decent talent in it for once.

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Elaborate for me Rob.. the HW division actually has some decent talent in it for once.

The UFC heavyweight belt doesnt really mean much

The UFC 'should' have the best fighters and talent to call it the real legit HW belt, like there LHW, MW and WW belts

The HW and LW belts are not the 'legit' top belts in MMA

Fedor is the proven champ of the heavyweight class, Nog going over there and winning the belt pretty much proved it, plus AA and Big Tim getting demolished by Fedor

Maybe the UFC had a case with Randy when he was the champ, but he doesnt have a great record and was getting title shots after chuck ran him out of the LHW divsion

LW also has this issue, to me BJ is the best LW in the world when he fights at LW, but the championship was just made up when they brought the division back and made Sherk vs Florian for the title, the true ranked LW fighters were and are in Japan

Sherk, Florian, Hermes, Huerta, Stevenson, etc...all these guys are not top ranked LWs like Aoki, Hellboy, GZ, etc... that are competing against each other in japan

Plus BJ has no big wins at LW since beating Gomi like 5 years ago, if he stays at LW he is the best, but he is always jumping up to WW and taking loses

Until the UFC can get Fedor over to fight, or a couple top japanese LWs, both those belts are 2nd tier belts IMO

[Bigpapa42]

I can't see the UFC deciding to bring in guys like Aoki, Hansen, Calvacante, etc. They make a lot of money in Japan. Not just from the promotions, but from sponsors. So you can't expect the fighters to take a pay cut to jump, not unless there's no other option. And its not really a great business move for the UFC to pay these guys huge money when they are relatively unknown to the average fight fan. They definitely are amongst the best in the world, but the names don't carry any value except to hardcore fans. Its a bad risk in a business sense.

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I can't see the UFC deciding to bring in guys like Aoki, Hansen, Calvacante, etc. They make a lot of money in Japan. Not just from the promotions, but from sponsors. So you can't expect the fighters to take a pay cut to jump, not unless there's no other option. And its not really a great business move for the UFC to pay these guys huge money when they are relatively unknown to the average fight fan. They definitely are amongst the best in the world, but the names don't carry any value except to hardcore fans. Its a bad risk in a business sense.

of course, but it stills puts a dent in there LW title

look at the WEC (UFC owned), they are really brining in some good talent at the 145 and 135 weight classes

UFC will never pay top LWs, the average american UFC fan doesnt like 'little guys' and the UFC has never marketted the LW class well

[Bigpapa42]

of course, but it stills puts a dent in there LW title

look at the WEC (UFC owned), they are really brining in some good talent at the 145 and 135 weight classes

UFC will never pay top LWs, the average american UFC fan doesnt like 'little guys' and the UFC has never marketted the LW class well

It does make the title less meaningful for those who know the sport outside the UFC. Same as anyone claiming there's no one out there for Anderson Silva to fight at 185 - unless you actually know something about MMA outside the UFC, you're probably likely to believe that. The UFC knows that the majority of their fans at this point are limited in their knowledge outside the promotion. I've given up on hoping the UFC will cater to the hardcore fans for the most part.

[CrimsonGhost56]

anyone interested in Sengoku 7 this weekend?

Sengoku Featherweight Grand Prix
Hatsu Hioki (No. 6 FW) vs. Chris Manuel
Marlon Sandro vs. Matt Jaggers
Hideki Kadowaki vs. Nam Phan
L.C. Davis vs. Michihiro Omigawa
Masanori Kanehara vs. Jong Man Kim
Shintaro Ishiwatri vs. Chang Son Jon
Tetsuya Yamada vs. Ronnie Mann
Seiya Kawahara vs. Nick Denis

Non-Tournament Bouts
Ryo Kawamura vs. Muhammed Lawal
James Thompson vs. Jim York

cant say i really know any of the fighters in the grand prix (dream has all the big name fighters in their FW tourney) but lighter weight classes usually put on an exciting fight. im real interested to see how King Mo does, one of the best and exciting young fighters IMO, and despite being the can he is, thompson usually puts on exciting fights unless hes in canada and decides to go for the takedown. ill catch the fights when their up on the interwebs for sure.

[Bigpapa42]

I'll watch Sengoku if I can, but it doesn't interest me like finally getting to watch DREAM.7 does. More looking forward to the next Sengoku in May, mainly because Joe Doerksen is gonna be on the card.

[CrimsonGhost56]

junie browing on shinya aoki :

I watch a lot of fights and people have their opinions. My opinion on Aoki is that I don’t believe that he could hang with most of the UFC lightweights today. I believe that the rules in Dream are so different with no elbows. He likes to play a lot of spider guard off of his back and rubber guard, stuff like that, and it’s hard to ground and pound someone in the guard that is latched onto you like that with no elbows. It allows for Aoki to use a lot more wrist control and stuff like that. In the UFC, if he tried to do a lot of that wrist control and stuff that he does off of his back, people would just come over the top with elbows to get the wrist release from him. Plus, I don’t believe that he could take down or pull guard on half of the guys in the UFC. I think a lot of the guys in the UFC would stuff his takedowns and just beat him up standing. Half of the guys in the UFC would just murder him standing. Plus, he could get stacked against the cage and that would hurt him, big time. The UFC is filled with a lot of great wrestlers and I think that would kill him. It’s hard to say, we’ll see if Aoki is ever brave enough to ever come over to the UFC, we’ll see.

some actual valid points. throwing in a cage and elbows would make a huge difference for aoki's game. you cant not consider aoki one of the best LHW's but i would be real interested to see how he fairs if he ever fights in america

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junie browing on shinya aoki :



some actual valid points. throwing in a cage and elbows would make a huge difference for aoki's game. you cant not consider aoki one of the best LHW's but i would be real interested to see how he fairs if he ever fights in america

or maybe the UFC guys should come to japan so they cant smash people into the cage or get kneed in the head when they turtle up...

also, spider guard is played with a gi on, aoki uses more of a de la riva guard and rubber guard

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Aoki would buttscoot his way to victory!

[CrimsonGhost56]

just a reminder March Badness is on tonight.

Roy Jones Jr. vs Omar Sheika
Bobby Lashley vs Jason Guida
Roy Nelson vs Jeff Monson

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Jason Guida is a bitch. I hope Bobby Lashley crushes him.

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