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  • Steel Mamba
    Nasty
    • Nov 2008
    • 2549

    Originally posted by Bob Kuzzy

    NOT by circling.. its hard to argue against him being better p4p than Anderson.
    That's cool, as long as you're fair about it then. So, I hope you feel the same way about Machida.

    Based off of resume, I would put GSP at #1 for right now. Based off of pure skill and ability Anderson is still 1a and GSP 1b.

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    • Kuzzy Powers
      Beautiful Like Moses
      • Oct 2008
      • 12541

      Machida has beaten Bonnar, Franklin, Vernon "Tiger" White, and Tito Ortiz, aswell as beating BJ Penn. So the resume is not AS glaring, but still solid. He is a very tactical fighter with amazing precision and a highly unorthodox stance. Machida is constantly throwing punches, just avoiding being hit at pretty much all costs.

      Again, im not really discrediting Silva, I still think hes a top 3-5 fighter.. I just think Georges is better. Silva's performance against less than stellar fighters has been dissapointing. In Machida's defense, he had a very exciting finish of a really tough fighter in Thiago Silva at UFC 94. Im honestly on the fence as to which fighter I like better, Anderson or Lyoto.. but im leaning towards Lyoto. I didnt appreciate Anderson's dancing and shit this fight cause he wasnt pushing to finish IMO. All that extra shit is fun when it comes with a KO.

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      • calgaryballer
        Tiote!
        • Mar 2009
        • 4620

        Originally posted by Liquidrob
        he didnt lose to matt

        well, he did, but the judges ripped the poor deaf kids heart out

        that was such an awful decision, that was UK judging the whole way
        Just top prove how awesome my memory is

        Judges Cecil Peoples and Jeff Mullen favored Bisping, 29-28, while British judge Chris Watts had Hamill, 30-27. I, too, scored it 30-27 for Hamill, though I can at least make a case for Bisping winning the second round.
        The controversial results of the Bisping-Hamill fight raise MMA regulation questions.


        The British judge had it right, while stupid fuck Cecil People's was one who went for Bisping

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        • Kuzzy Powers
          Beautiful Like Moses
          • Oct 2008
          • 12541

          Ironic that it was the British judge that actually had Hammil winning.. 30-27 at that.

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          • EmpireWF
            Giants in the Super Bowl
            • Mar 2009
            • 24082

            Originally posted by heelswxman
            So was this last PPV indicative of the sport? I'm trying to get into this but I was kind of let down by the last PPV. I've seen other fights that were really great to watch, but I did enjoy the Cane-Cantwell and thought that Kongo looked impressive.

            Again, I'm a newbie so go easy on me.
            It depends, you can get an awesome show (UFC 91 or 92), a pretty good show (the latest Strikeforce show) or a shitty show. UFC 97 wasn't horrible but that main event was just plain bad. Don't know what's up with Silva as of late.

            Usually UFC PPVs are good (although there are some you can skip on PPV, such as UFC 93). They have some interesting/great match-ups coming up in the next few months...

            UFC 98 in May is Evans/Machida (205 championship & both men are undefeated), Hughes/Serra (grudge fight), Okami vs. Dan Miller should be good, Sherk vs. Edgar could be good.

            UFC 99 in June is Wanderlei Silva/Franklin, Velasquez vs. Herring (may be a boring fight since Herring is tough to finish), Swick vs. Ben Saunders, Marcus Davis vs. Dan Hardy and Spencer Fisher vs. Caol Uno should all be good.

            The TUF Finale in June for Spike has two fights booked: Clay Guida vs. Diego Sanchez (fuck yeah!), and Nate Diaz vs. Joe Stevenson (Joe Daddy may be gone if he loses)

            then those lead to 100 (must see show), 101 (Penn/Florian, Griffin/Thiago Silva) and 102 (Couture/Big Nog).

            Strikeforce has a show on Showtime on June 6th with a main event of Robbie Lawler (awesome striker) vs. Jake Shields (awesome jiu-jitsu) which should be good.


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            • Bigpapa42
              Junior Member
              • Feb 2009
              • 3185

              Originally posted by Steel Mamba
              I don't think it's accurate to pass judgement on an entire fight based off of one small instance. Look at Anderson's feet and how out of position he is and the distance.. What type of effective strike is he suppose to throw in that short capture? I think it's silly to harp on that one small moment from such an unorthodox move.
              I realize that you can't extrapolate one moment in the fight over the entire 25 minutes. I was using that as example because its a visual example. The thing is that it wasn't the only insitence where Silva got Leites backup in a position where he could have aggressively pressed the action. He didn't. He kept him off-balance a lot with those side-kicks, but rarely seemed to use that as an oppportunity to close, or to counter with a high kick at some point.

              The reason I think the gif is at least worth concidering is that the point of using something fancy like that in an actual fight should be to take your opponent by surprise and create an opening. Silva did create that opening. But you can tell my his body language after throwing the "kick" that he never intended to even try to follow it up. So you can argue about the distance and his position, but he never seems to have intended to follow it up, regardless if it knocked Leites off balance (as it did), tripped him, whatever. This was the case with all the shimmying, dancing, shoulder-shaking and so on that Silva did through the fight. It was intended as show-boating, not a way to open his opponent up. I don't really have much issue with showboating in a fight, but when someone is showboating and not using the opportunities it may create, I don't see how that fight can be seen as aggressive throughout the fight and attempting to exploit any opporunity. That's simply a contridiction to me.

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              • KINGOFOOTBALL
                Junior Member
                • Feb 2009
                • 10343

                Originally posted by Bob Kuzzy
                Exactly BigPapa.. dude is not even pushing on good chances to push.. he throws his funny behind the leg kick, Thales goes off balance, and Anderson doesnt even pounce.

                Tell me what Anderson Silva has done to be considered best p4p over GSP? Just give me a good argument, because there isnt one that exists. Level of opponent is the deciding factor and Anderson doesnt fuck with GSP's resume. The only great fighters Anderson has beat are Hendo, Franklin and Carlos Newton and arguably Jeremy Horn. Other noteables are Alex Stiebling, Alexander Otsuka, and Nate Marquardt.

                GSP's resume:

                Karo Parisyian
                Matt Hughes (twice)
                Sean Shark
                BJ Penn (twice)
                Jason "Mayhem" Miller

                Aswell as guys like Matt Serra, Frank Trigg, and an undefeated Jon Fitch.

                Given the fashion in which GSP has dominated more of these fights.. NOT by circling.. its hard to argue against him being better p4p than Anderson.
                Looks pretty similar to me. Hendo Franklin Newton Horn = Parysyian Sherk Hughes and Penn. 2 of those dont belong at 170 at all.
                In case you forgot he got KOd by Serra. Silva Champ reign and UFC streak is more impressive than GSPs in the same stretch.Amazing how only his last 2 fights have gone the distance the rest were absolute rapings and beatings all of a sudden "he circles".
                Thats the attention span UFC has to deal with when putting on fights I guess. 30 seconds and 2 fights.

                Neither hold a candle to Fedor whos fought everyone , pummelled every one , and hasnt lost in 8 years arguably ever.
                Best reason to have a license.

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                • Kuzzy Powers
                  Beautiful Like Moses
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 12541

                  Ill say this much more abt the GSP/Silva debate.. im definitely bias towards one fighter. Furthermore, Anderson is getting a hard time right now despite still being a great fighter, but even Dana is saying he was embarrassed by the fight with Thales. Thats coming from the owners mouth.. so.

                  In other news: Bobby Lashley announced on his Twitter (what a great media source) that his next fight will be against Bob Sapp. That should be fun.

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                  • BigBiss
                    Junior Member
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 1912

                    Originally posted by Bob Kuzzy
                    Ill say this much more abt the GSP/Silva debate.. im definitely bias towards one fighter. Furthermore, Anderson is getting a hard time right now despite still being a great fighter, but even Dana is saying he was embarrassed by the fight with Thales. Thats coming from the owners mouth.. so.

                    In other news: Bobby Lashley announced on his Twitter (what a great media source) that his next fight will be against Bob Sapp. That should be fun.
                    Should just do it in TNA

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                    • RosettaStoned
                      Throbbing Tebowner
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 9949

                      Anderson > GSP.
                      So, metaphorically speaking, our physiology basically has the universe mapped out and you're thinking it needs to be taught addition & subtraction.

                      -Alan Aragon

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                      • clovett
                        Junior Member
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 794

                        The light heavyweight title fight scheduled for the Strikeforce card on June 6 has been postponed as the champion, Renato "Babalu" Sobral, has been forced out of the bout with the due date of his child being born falling too close to the fight. His opponent, Rafael "Feijao" Cavalcante will remain on the card against an as of yet unnamed opponent.

                        The news was announced on MMAWeekly Radio Monday night by Feijao's manager, Ed Soares, who said that his fighter is still expected to be on the card, but still hopeful to get a shot at the title upon Babalu's return later this year.

                        Sobral's manager, Richard Wilner, later confirmed the postponement. "When the fight was originally proposed, it was for a May date that was kind of up in the air. Strikeforce used that date for the (Sho MMA: Strikeforce Challengers) show, then told us the date was going to change to June 6," he told MMAWeekly.com. "We basically said okay, but about three days after that, the doctor's confirmed that Babalu's baby was meant to be born on May 24. Then we immediately told Scott Coker and Strikeforce. The fight was then postponed to the August show."

                        Sobral won the title in November 2008 after defeating former champion Bobby Southworth by TKO due to a cut on his opponent's head. The fight against Feijao was supposed to be his first title defense since capturing the belt.

                        Rafael "Feijao" Cavalcante will step into the June 6 card on a three-fight win streak, with his only career loss coming by way of disqualification while competing for the International Fight League.

                        While with EliteXC, Feijao compiled a 3-0 record defeating opponents like Travis Galbraith and Wayne Cole, before having his contract purchased by Strikeforce as a part of the Elite XC buyout.

                        Soares didn't know at the time who Feijao would face, but Strikeforce will likely try to find an opponent soon with the card just over 5 weeks away.

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                        • thilanwij
                          Member
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 916

                          Im trying to get into like the UFC stuff because i wanna play and understand this new game coming out:

                          UFC 2009 Undisputed (looks good)

                          so im watching it and stuff

                          just wondering wats the easiest way to understand like all teh stuff happening in the ufc/mma world?

                          btw i just watched some ufc 97 matches online, wow that KO on Liddell... haha

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                          • Kuzzy Powers
                            Beautiful Like Moses
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 12541

                            What exactly do you wanna know?

                            Basically its 3, 5 minute rounds (5 if its a title fight). The winner is based on judges scoring or by KO, Submission, Ref Stoppage, etc. Scoring is based on striking, takedowns, takedown defense, ground control, and some other shit lol. Thats the basic run down..

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                            • thilanwij
                              Member
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 916

                              Originally posted by Bob Kuzzy
                              What exactly do you wanna know?

                              Basically its 3, 5 minute rounds (5 if its a title fight). The winner is based on judges scoring or by KO, Submission, Ref Stoppage, etc. Scoring is based on striking, takedowns, takedown defense, ground control, and some other shit lol. Thats the basic run down..
                              oh yeah i know that

                              but like are there like rivalries and other stuff outside of the octagon? i dont know much fighters and whos good and whos not

                              sorry if im being confusing lol

                              ps i used to watch wwe fake wrestling im guessing its a little like that

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                              • Steel Mamba
                                Nasty
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 2549

                                Originally posted by thilanwij
                                Im trying to get into like the UFC stuff because i wanna play and understand this new game coming out:

                                UFC 2009 Undisputed (looks good)

                                so im watching it and stuff

                                just wondering wats the easiest way to understand like all teh stuff happening in the ufc/mma world?

                                btw i just watched some ufc 97 matches online, wow that KO on Liddell... haha
                                To keep up to date on the sport favorite these websites:

                                MMA and UFC news, results, rumors, fights and MMA rankings from the fan perspective.




                                to learn about the sport itself then just watch a bunch of fights and "buy" some instructional DVDs,

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