MMA Thread

[Steel Mamba]

that was right in the middle of Chucks redemption tour right? were he was beating every one that had beat him befor. Rampage fliped the script and FC had a charismatic black man as there top champ. UFC always seems to be in Win Win possistions, if a match is not win win we wait on it or the losser gets cut it seems.

Yep, exactly. It's all about the win/win situations with the UFC, which is different than the WWE approach. I mean really the debate should stop at one being scripted and the other not, because of that factor the approach has to be different.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Yep, exactly. It's all about the win/win situations with the UFC, which is different than the WWE approach. I mean really the debate should stop at one being scripted and the other not, because of that factor the approach has to be different.

LOL!

The approach is EXACTLY the same: to get people to pay to watch A fight B.

Fake/real has ZERO to do with it. MMA & wrestling are the same damn thing. One is worked, one isnt. That's it. Both are about getting you to believe "this guy" hates "that guy", and hopefully you'll pay to see them fight.

The best MMA promo guys all learned from being WRESTLING fans, and cut wrestling promos to build fights....Tito, Frank, Diaz, Rampage (who idolized Junk Yard Dog)....these guys all WORK THE MARKS just like wrestlers do, except in this case, the uppity MMA fans are THE MARKS. You know, because MMA is real.

Dana White shows no respect to any other promoter, except one. Vince McMahon. He never bad mouths McMahon, and tells people all the time how much he admires him, and it's crystal clear he even patterns himself after him. And McMahon is the closest thing that White has to PPV competition.

MMA & wrestling have far more crossover fans than MMA & boxing. The entire UFC explosion can partly be attributed to TUF 1 having WWE RAW as it's lead in. All those "marks" left Spike on after wrasslin' was over, and saw a show that was designed and booked just like...you guessed it, pro wrestling:

It had characters & storylines...
Chris Leben, heel. Stephen Bonner, babyface. Luidine Sincaide, jobber. Diego Sanchez, no nonsense killer. Sam Hogar, turned heel when he became a theif.

And don't get me started on Japan. If it wasnt for PRO WRESTLING legend Antonio Inoki, PRIDE would have never existed, and the sport wouldnt have boomed in Japan. MMA started in the early 90's on PRO WRESTLING shows, and groups like Pancrease & UWFI took it to another level. And guess who led the charge in Pancrease? Former pro wrestlers like Ken Shamrock, who WORKED FIGHTS to build up Bas Rutten and Frank.

Look at the MMA names who have also done pro wrestling....Ken Shamrock, Don Frye, Bob Sapp, Josh Barnett, Tank Abbott, Sakuraba, Brock Lesnar, Bobby Lashley, Daniel Puder, Mark Coleman, Kevin Randleman, Sylverter Terkay, Kristof Synzok (or however you spell that shit), Tito Ortiz, Dan Severn, Minowaman...I bet it would blow your mind that close to 100 former UFC fighters at some point were pro wrestlers. Why is the crossover so prevelent? Because it's the same thing. Both sides "get" that.

Another similarity, is you can't build a star in either sport without TV. Check out UFC buyrates pre TUF. Sub 100,000. Fedor would be embarrased. In both cases, TV builds stars, and it has very little to do with skill. Lyoto Machida and Anderson Silva can't draw flies. Washed up Chuck vs. Kimbo Slice would outdraw just about anything. Brock Lesnar drew 50,000 buys for K1 with no TV build. He's the sports biggest draw with UFC.

There are elements of pro wrestling everywhere you look in MMA. It's the same business model, right down to every crossed T and dotted i. Draw a big house, draw PPV buys, and keep building stars. It's silly to deny it.

[BigBiss]

Yep, exactly. It's all about the win/win situations with the UFC, which is different than the WWE approach. I mean really the debate should stop at one being scripted and the other not, because of that factor the approach has to be different.

WWE storytelling is shit right now. but Wrestling as all about the win/win as well. after a match both men should gain something.

[Kuzzy Powers]

You are not getting it, the UFC is real, the WWE is not we all understand that (besides Kuzzy, lol), but the UFC uses more of the WWE business model than say boxing, they control a lot and do some WWE type things

Are you serious with this? I know you're a fucking meathead but you cant be this moronic..

[Steel Mamba]

Grffin doesn't sound too confident.

“I try to tell the truth and use a little humor to talk about how I really feel. Like if I think you’re a [expletive] idiot, I’ll try to tell you in a funny way. I’m kind of kidding, but there’s also some truth to it…. I’m probably going to get hurt, if not die. This guy knows how to fight. The good news is, if I die, this book will sell a lot more copies and be worth more.”

[calgaryballer]

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Hellboy. Some of the sickest knee KOs around. I love this guy

[Liquidrob]

Are you serious with this? I know you're a fucking meathead but you cant be this moronic..

its ok that you think john cena or any WWE guy would be a top contender if he switched to MMA, stay strong to your believes, no one can take that away from you

[Liquidrob]

Grffin doesn't sound too confident.

“I try to tell the truth and use a little humor to talk about how I really feel. Like if I think you’re a [expletive] idiot, I’ll try to tell you in a funny way. I’m kind of kidding, but there’s also some truth to it…. I’m probably going to get hurt, if not die. This guy knows how to fight. The good news is, if I die, this book will sell a lot more copies and be worth more.”

lol, thats forrest, he isnt the normal 'I'm going to knock his head off'' saying type of guy

[Liquidrob]

Double standard???? Anderson gets easy opponents and the UFC is holding his hand and molding him. Okami gets easy opponents and the UFC is trying to keep him down.

No, 1 guy is the 'p4p best in the world' and is getting fed Irvin, Cote and Thales in main event fights, the other has to fight on the undercard and being held back from high profile fights not in the main event

big difference

[Kuzzy Powers]

its ok that you think john cena or any WWE guy would be a top contender if he switched to MMA, stay strong to your believes, no one can take that away from you

Where are you pulling this bullshit from? I know your head is up your ass so it cant be coming from there. I guess you really are as moronic as you come off.

[Liquidrob]

Hellboy. Some of the sickest knee KOs around. I love this guy

love watching hellboy fight, too bad Dana wanted to pay him 5 bucks an hour, would have been some good fights for him over here

actually, better fights in japan right now with aoki, alvarez, kawajiri, etc...

[calgaryballer]

Yeah, the Alvarez-Hellboy fight was incredible

[Liquidrob]

Where are you pulling this bullshit from? I know your head is up your ass so it cant be coming from there. I guess you really are as moronic as you come off.

lol, you dont remember the pro wrestler vs mma debates at MM? you were all over the wrestlers nuts and there abilities to fight

you cant rewrite your past posts

[Liquidrob]

Yeah, the Alvarez-Hellboy fight was incredible

hellboy needs to fight aoki again, I think he is having contract issues or something

aoki by gogo and hellboy by KO, we need a 3rd fight!

[Kuzzy Powers]

lol, you dont remember the pro wrestler vs mma debates at MM? you were all over the wrestlers nuts and there abilities to fight

you cant rewrite your past posts

Bullshit I was. I have never said that professional wrestlers could beat MMAers. Never, ever, ever have I said that. SMH @ you for even trying to pull that kind of shit out of your ass.

LOL @ trying to flip me defending wrestlers as athletes in the past and turning it into me saying they'd beat MMAers. You're a fucking clown Rob.

PS: I guess I cant rewrite my past posts but you can rewrite them for me eh?