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**Warner2BruceTD** · 07-03-2009, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Liquidrob

lol, it was posting on the UG

I see a lot of his stuff on the UG and he has been reporting on NHB/MMA of a long time

Yeah, they get that shit directly off his website.

I'm not exaggerating when I say he's reported on and written stories on every major event in the history of the sport...or at least starting with the early Pancraes and UWFI stuff from the early 90's. He's probably seen more fights than any living human, now that old man Gracie is dead.

He was also a judge for UFC in the pre Zuffa days, and is probably the only writer who is openly critical of UFC who Dana still allows to get press credentials.

**Liquidrob** · 07-03-2009, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by The Buddha

Rob, you seem to have alot of info on Strikeforce...any idea on how Roger Gracie is gonna fight on the next card?

havent heard anything, but I did just see a rumor that it might be against Werdum, I doubt it, not a good fight to get Roger in the MMA mix IMO and it doesnt make much sense

I would hope its against someone where he can use his grappling, he is the best sub grappler in the world right now, would be nice to see a Gracie in the spotlight again

**CrimsonGhost56** · 07-03-2009, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by Liquidrob

havent heard anything, but I did just see a rumor that it might be against Werdum, I doubt it, not a good fight to get Roger in the MMA mix IMO and it doesnt make much sense

I would hope its against someone where he can use his grappling, he is the best sub grappler in the world right now, would be nice to see a Gracie in the spotlight again

so basically what your saying is if he fights someone with good TD defense and good standup hes fucked ......

**Warner2BruceTD** · 07-03-2009, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by Liquidrob

and, back on the topic, its not even that the fights were great, its just disgraceful to try and rewrite the history of the sport and not recongnizing fighters because you dont like the, etc...

what a joke

Yet another similarity between Dana/Vince and UFC/WWE. This is stuff McMahon has done forever. The two are eerily similar.

**Liquidrob** · 07-03-2009, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD

Yeah, they get that shit directly off his website.

I'm not exaggerating when I say he's reported on and written stories on every major event in the history of the sport...or at least starting with the early Pancraes and UWFI stuff from the early 90's. He's probably seen more fights than any living human, now that old man Gracie is dead.

He was also a judge for UFC in the pre Zuffa days, and is probably the only writer who is openly critical of UFC who Dana still allows to get press credentials.

yeah, I have read his stuff before, he knows the game

oh prancrase, the good ole days...

**Liquidrob** · 07-03-2009, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD

Yet another similarity between Dana/Vince and UFC/WWE. This is stuff McMahon has done forever. The two are eerily similar.

yeah, I was going to post that, but I didnt want to be seen as a 'Dana Hater', oh wait, to late

**Liquidrob** · 07-03-2009, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by CrimsonGhost56

so basically what your saying is if he fights someone with good TD defense and good standup hes fucked ......

well, kind of, but thats pretty much true for any grappler coming into the sport and the guy has only 2 MMA fights, fighting Werdum at this point is just silly

talented new guys should be brought in slowly, but no one in MMA has any patience

**Warner2BruceTD** · 07-03-2009, 10:41 PM

More Dana wackiness from Meltzer....

There is a lot of unhappiness among fighters within UFC regarding UFC’s decision to charge a rights fee to sponsors of fighters.

The UFC is now charging prospective sponsors a $100,000 fee for the right to sponsor fighters that appear on UFC broadcasts for a six month period. This eliminates all the small-time sponsors because they may be able to pay $1,000 to a fighter but they aren’t paying $100,000 to UFC for the right to pay $1,000 to a fighter. The ones hurt the worst are the low-end guys who are struggling to make it on prelim money contracts. It also lessens the amount of money going to the fighters, because the $200,000 per year going to UFC as a licensing fee means perhaps $200,000, but certainly significantly less, going directly to the fighters.

UFC fighters in some cases earn more money through outside sponsorship than their UFC pay, although one manager estimated that for all but the top fighters, it would probably average about 40% of their income from a fight is coming from sponsors. But this is going to cut it back heavily, and with the exception of the top fighters, most in UFC are struggling, and even those who aren’t for the most part are going to have short-lived careers and many are going to have significant medical bills after their careers are over.

The UFC mentality is that these companies are getting exposure on their broadcasts that go world wide for the relatively very little money paid to fighters.

Fighter sponsorship revenue already took a hit in October when the economy went bad, and this will be a second major hit, and there really isn’t much complaining that can be done because the top guys are generally well taken care of and the bottom guys can be replaced without fans caring much.

In addition, the UFC legal department sent out letters that listed online poker sponsors such as Full Tilt Poker, Ultimate Bet and Party Poker, and other companies such as Dethrone, Hayabusa Fight Wear, One More Round and Rolling Stone as sponsors that are no longer allowed on UFC broadcasts according to a story on FiveOuncesofPain.com and confirmed to us independently.

The idea is the big sponsors, if they are paying a premium fee to UFC, are less likely to sponsor non-UFC fighters, nor continue to sponsor fighters as they leave UFC, and instead would sponsor current UFC fighters.

However, with UFC being the only company to institute this policy, it would make Strikeforce a more lucrative option because fewer name fighters will be able to get sponsorships from companies not willing to pay the $100,000 fee, and if Strikeforce gets CBS, a CBS broadcast is more exposure for the brand name than anything UFC can provide. It’s a big deal, because it is an attempt by UFC to be more like WWE and less like boxing, in the sense of fully controlling everything on its television.

According to one agent, UFC has also made it clear that any fighter who appears in the EA Sports MMA video game will never be used in UFC. You know how that goes. Never usually means not for a long time, because they’ve taken back Tito Ortiz, Randy Couture and B.J. Penn (who sued the company), but they are trying to scare the top independent fighters out of the EA game.

It’s believed that every top fighter in Strikeforce and Affliction has been approached by EA. Couture, Fedor Emelianenko, Frank Shamrock and Gina Carano are believed to be the top names in the EA game, although none have been confirmed by EA. Couture and Carano already did a video game for EA, which was a deal done by Couture when he was at odds with UFC, and is why Couture was not in the UFC Undisputed game.

Just more proof that Dana dosen't give a fuck about the fighters, it's all about the UFC "brand". He's taking food off some of these guys tables, just to get a piece of sponsership money. Why? Because he can.

**Liquidrob** · 07-03-2009, 10:47 PM

lol @ all the guys who were saying the UFC wasnt run like the WWE, give me a break

**The Buddha** · 07-03-2009, 11:20 PM

I think the sponsership thing is going to end up hurting the UFC in the long run, as more and more guys are going to leave or sign with Strikeforce because while the UFC may pay them more..they can probably get more money with strikeforce + their sponser.

**BigBiss** · 07-04-2009, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by tbirds84

Just wondering, am I the only one who think Thiago will beat Georges. I have a weird feeling that Thiago will get the upset.

Most the room i will be in will hang them selfs, it would be quite messy.

**Bigpapa42** · 07-04-2009, 09:33 PM

I wouldn't be shocked if Alves takes it. I really hope GSP wins, but Alves is a monster and he has some serious skills.

**CrimsonGhost56** · 07-05-2009, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by tbirds84

Just wondering, am I the only one who think Thiago will beat Georges. I have a weird feeling that Thiago will get the upset.

the best standup fighter GSP has fought in a long time (if not best ever). GSP has been shown to have a suspect chin so i think hes going to take it straight to the ground (a la the second Serra fight) and grind out a victory. but if its kept standing Alves has a great shot to beat him

**BigBiss** · 07-05-2009, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by Bigpapa42

I wouldn't be shocked if Alves takes it. I really hope GSP wins, but Alves is a monster and he has some serious skills.

The last time he was upset was right after he looked unstoppable. It sure would shake up the WW Division. could really make things intresting.

**Kuzzy Powers** · 07-05-2009, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by tbirds84

Just wondering, am I the only one who think Thiago will beat Georges. I have a weird feeling that Thiago will get the upset.

Everyone is open to Thiago winning cause we know how strong and skilled he is. But id still be pretty surprised if GSP lost.

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