Rumor: UFC 136 - 175k buys

[Steel Mamba]

My point is a couple things, if they are always pushing 'The UFC' or Dana White than they're not fully promoting there fighters, they just can't it's not possible

2nd, the way they go about it is bland, besides a couple guys they take it on there own, Chael, Rampage, etc...the UFC makes it boring

TUF is the same format all the time, tell me how throwing dudes in a house and wathc them drink and be jackasses really gets fans interested in them anymore? The guys are interchangable and thats my point, its not the fighters, it's the format

Plus, the UFC generally keeps fighters 'in check', guys like Diaz will be stifled, Dana wants you to 'play the game', Diaz is interesting, they're trying to knock some of that off him and change him, but Diaz don't give a fuck, they feed lines to guys inthe countdown shows, same corny lines that every fighter uses, why? because they make it that way thats' why

lol that's absolutely not true. How can you say the UFC stifles their fighters when you have Chael Sonnen saying whatever he wants, and Rampage humping and motorboating reporters.

When Dana says he wants Diaz to play the game, that means showing up for press conferences and not beating up people in the hospital. I don't think that's too much to ask and I don't think that's trying to put a lid on anyone's personality either.

If anyone causes the fighters to stifle their remarks it's the fans. Because MMA fans have the "martial arts" attitude that dictates being on a straight arrow 100% of the time.

And again your first paragraph just says that they need to change their format a bit, which is a fair argument. But, that does not equal them not trying to push their fighters.

[Liquidrob]

So you named the 2 guys I said, nice, they stifle them by giving them nothing, I mean nothing to work with, there generic interchangable fight promo's and intros ARE EXACTLY THE SAME, the format holds them back

And you keep missing the point, if you're splitting time between prmoting THE UFC, Dana and the fighters, guess what? You are not promoting the fighters to there fullest, it is technically impossible

[Steel Mamba]

Do you know the fighters in Bellator better than you know the fighters in the UFC?

[Warner2BruceTD]

I can see both sides of this.

There is no doubt that the UFC brand is pushed harder than the fighters, but at the end of the day it's the fighters job to get himself over, and the more charismatic ones have.

[Liquidrob]

Do you know the fighters in Bellator better than you know the fighters in the UFC?

what does bellator have to do with this? lol, we are talking about the biggest promotion in the sport

Anyway, Bellator gets zero coverage from the MMA media, has a small tv spot, no money, etc...plus, Bellator has a different model, they push the tournament over the fighter which to me is fine, because they are pushing the sport aspect and the winners move on like sports are supposed to be, but the main focus is still the fight, the tournament fights to get to the champ

Actually, Bellator does a decent job with there packages before the fights with little time they have, they are on a channel with commercials and in a 2 hour block

[Steel Mamba]

I can see both sides of this.

There is no doubt that the UFC brand is pushed harder than the fighters, but at the end of the day it's the fighters job to get himself over, and the more charismatic ones have.

Business and financially, yeah the UFC is definitely held higher than its fighters. But I don't see how the brand itself is promoted as opposed to the fighters being promoted. Can you guys name some examples of this?

[Steel Mamba]

what does bellator have to do with this? lol, we are talking about the biggest promotion in the sport

Anyway, Bellator gets zero coverage from the MMA media, has a small tv spot, no money, etc...plus, Bellator has a different model, they push the tournament over the fighter which to me is fine, because they are pushing the sport aspect and the winners move on like sports are supposed to be, but the main focus is still the fight, the tournament fights to get to the champ

Actually, Bellator does a decent job with there packages before the fights with little time they have, they are on a channel with commercials and in a 2 hour block

Does the UFC not push its fighters better than any other MMA promotion. If they're not pushing their fighters like you say they aren't, then by default Bellator would have the edge there right? Yes, UFC fighters get more coverage, because the UFC is pushing them....

[Liquidrob]

Does the UFC not push its fighters better than any other MMA promotion. If they're not pushing their fighters like you say they aren't, then by default Bellator would have the edge there right? Yes, UFC fighters get more coverage, because the UFC is pushing them....

LOL, stop, you can't be serious

[Steel Mamba]

As far as current promotions goes UFC fighters receive more pub and marketing than anyone else.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Business and financially, yeah the UFC is definitely held higher than its fighters. But I don't see how the brand itself is promoted as opposed to the fighters being promoted. Can you guys name some examples of this?

I think it's so blatant that it has become the norm, and you don't even realize it.

For example, if you go to a live show, the message is clear, that you are there to see the UFC, not to see whoever vs. whoever.

Just look at boxing. It's never advertised as TOP RANK BOXING: DESTRUCTION or GOLDEN BOY 19: DAY OF RECKONING. It's just 'Mayweather vs Diaz'.

[SHOGUN]

As far as current promotions goes UFC fighters receive more pub and marketing than anyone else.

That has more to do with the UFC's success as an organization than ZUFFA themselves actually getting behind fighters.

[Steel Mamba]

I think it's so blatant that it has become the norm, and you don't even realize it.

For example, if you go to a live show, the message is clear, that you are there to see the UFC, not to see whoever vs. whoever.

Just look at boxing. It's never advertised as TOP RANK BOXING: DESTRUCTION or GOLDEN BOY 19: DAY OF RECKONING. It's just 'Mayweather vs Diaz'.

They've gotten away from that now, every PPV is x vs x. Putting UFC in front so people know what they're buying doesn't mean they're not pushing their fighters. The UFC wouldn't be where it is today if they didn't market them.

[Steel Mamba]

Plus, Top Rank and Golden Boy include their brand in everything as well. When you're watching a Top Rank or Golden Boy promotion their name is everywhere, it's in the ads, promos, on the ring, etc. There's really no big difference between the two.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Plus, Top Rank and Golden Boy include their brand in everything as well. When you're watching a Top Rank or Golden Boy promotion their name is everywhere, it's in the ads, promos, on the ring, etc. There's really no big difference between the two.

I think you are way off base on this.

When is the last time you heard someone say, "hey man, I think i'm gonna order the Top Rank PPV this weekend, wanna come over?"

[Steel Mamba]

I think you are way off base on this.

When is the last time you heard someone say, "hey man, I think i'm gonna order the Top Rank PPV this weekend, wanna come over?"

It's a promotion, whereas the UFC is an organization.

At the end of the day they still promote their fighters, putting their name in the PPV title doesn't diminish the fighters any. If anything it helps their name recognition and gives them more credibility.