The General Wrestling Thread

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

This has been a night of great promos.

That Shield promo was A+.

Brock Lesnar promo was A+.

CM Punk says "You come at the king, you best not miss..."...automatically makes it A+.

[Warner2BruceTD]

All three guys in The Shield have a unique promo style. Rollins is still a little awkward, it might be the effeminate voice, I don't know, but he's a million times better than the ROH days and even as the weakest promo of the three he's still ok.

Reigns stays in his lane and does the slow tough guy talk. I wouldn't trust him with anything longer than two or three lines, but he's good for what he's asked to do.

Ambrose is a natural and already one of the best promo guys around.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

This Daniel Bryan push is just rubbing me the wrong way. When Bryan should be getting heated and really angry, he's acting goofy with the YES YES YES and NO NO NO shit. Last night was an interesting promo when Bryan starts talking about Japan and respect and that he doesn't respect Cena and he hasn't earned it. I want to see Daniel Bryan the little buzz saw...not the goofy bastard.

[FedEx227]

Don't worry HHH and WWE overbooking will eliminate any possibility that he gets over this Sunday with his title win.

[IamMedellin]

Ex-WWE Writer On Vince McMahon's View On Masked Wrestlers, Chris Benoit's WWE Title Reign

Former WWE creative writer Dan Madigan joined the We Want Lucha podcast from the hosts of Inside The Ropes to discuss his tenure with the sports-entertainment organization in 2004. Highlights from the interview are as follows:

Chris Benoit's title reign and if he saw his run as a mid-card champion:

"I've never heard that term but it really sums up what happened, mid card champion. I don't think he ever really believed how good a wrestler he was, there was an insecurity there. But in terms of wrestling ability, he was hard to match. But then when it comes to cutting a promo and working on the mic, he's not as honed as some of the other guys. I think that may have weighed on his head a little. I think he was just a wrestler at heart. I used to work with him on cutting promos. Some guys, cutting promos, it's just a gift, it comes naturally to them. Sometimes it's even better to have even better mic skills than wrestling skills. He had trouble with it, but he worked at it. I would say to him "Chris maybe it's better to say too little than too much. Think about what you're gonna say and lets make it shorter" He didn't have the charisma that Shawn Michael did, but who does. Chris got the championship as a reward for years of hard work, but that term, you're right, mid card champion, he almost got lost in the shuffle. He was almost just like someone holding the belt till the next guy."

His biggest disappointment during his time in WWE:

"I really wanted to create a high octane Cruiserweight division and build it around Ultimo Dragon, and bring in guys he'd worked with in Mexico and Japan like Super Crazy, Juventud, Psychosis. I realised writing my book, that there's a huge latino community in the US and I wanted to bring a strong lucha libre style to the WWE to bridge the cultural gap. But it didn't happen. That's one of the first big fights I had with Vince. The concept of the masked wrestler is lost on the WWE, they don't really understand it, they don't appreciate it, unlike Mexico where that's the focal point. I think in America, it's a whole different ballgame, the psychology is different. I lost that fight a couple of times in the room. At one point, we lost Ultimo he went back to Japan, and we just had Rey, Vince goes "We have one masked wrestler in the ring, any more of them on the roster and it'll confuse the fans" I said to him"Vince there's 10,000 wrestlers in Mexico in masks, no-one's confused" I looked around the room and I wasn't gonna win that fight. That was the biggest disappointment, that they wouldn't let lucha libre be a featured style on the show."

Alberto Del Rio's decision to remove his mask upon debuting in WWE:

"He took the mask off which was a smart move, a very smart move. If you're gonna come up from Mexico with a famous gimmick, take the mask off, find a different gimmick don't lose the reputation, that's the awful thing. It's like Ultimo Dragon, he never got the push he deserved because they never knew what to do with him. At one point a few years ago, WWE wanted him to come back but wanted him to take his mask off. It seems like people don't get how important the mask is in Mexico, it's like the essence of the wrestler. Mistico, I think Sin Cara now, he made a big splash, now they don't know what to do with him. Think of merchandising with a masked wrestler, it could be huge. But they don't understand the lucha libre mentality."


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[Warner2BruceTD]

This Daniel Bryan push is just rubbing me the wrong way. When Bryan should be getting heated and really angry, he's acting goofy with the YES YES YES and NO NO NO shit. Last night was an interesting promo when Bryan starts talking about Japan and respect and that he doesn't respect Cena and he hasn't earned it. I want to see Daniel Bryan the little buzz saw...not the goofy bastard.

This is what i've been saying all along. His push is just....off. He's goofy, and I can't take him seriously until he starts acting more...well, serious.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Ex-WWE Writer On Vince McMahon's View On Masked Wrestlers, Chris Benoit's WWE Title Reign



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The Ultimo Dragon story was that Steph saw him backstage without his mask, and thought he was very handsome. So having no understanding of his ties to lucha culture (and she probably wouldn't have respected it anyway, since they asked El Hijo Del Santo of all people to unmask a few years earlier ffs), she suggested that he ditch the mask. Obviously that was never going to happen.

Not to name drop, but I had a long twitter conversation with TJ Perkins on the topic of Ultimo Dragon. He's arguably one of the top 5 most influential wrestlers of his generation. Maybe top 3. His fingerprints are literally everywhere.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

This is what i've been saying all along. His push is just....off. He's goofy, and I can't take him seriously until he starts acting more...well, serious.

When he's having his promos, I always find myself thinking "it would have been better if _____________" or "If he just said ___________"...its like...it lacks the bite that the CM Punk-John Cena feud had. Punk had more bite in his character. Bryan could have that same bite, its just...not there...or they aren't letting him have it. Some aspects come close...its just not going all of the way.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Daniel Bryan is a Bryan Danielson parody act. I know people hate hearing that because they're digging his push, but that's what he is.

I'm glad he's being pushed too, but he's Eric Young.

[Guest]

Daniel Bryan is a Bryan Danielson parody act. I know people hate hearing that because they're digging his push, but that's what he is.

I'm glad he's being pushed too, but he's Eric Young.

They are pushing him because he's so over, they have no choice. It's a fine line to be walking.

[Warner2BruceTD]

"Funny don't equal money"

I think there is big money in a Daniel Bryan act with a more serious edge. Shit, he's already a top guy being a goofball.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Its hyperbole to say he's Eric Young...but he could be a lot more than he is now as a character.

[Warner2BruceTD]

The new Johnny Gargano t-shirt

[BigBiss]

"Funny don't equal money"

I think there is big money in a Daniel Bryan act with a more serious edge. Shit, he's already a top guy being a goofball.

if it goes were i see it going it will be big ...

[dave]

"Funny don't equal money"

I think there is big money in a Daniel Bryan act with a more serious edge. Shit, he's already a top guy being a goofball.

IMO, the only way he gets over as a serious act is if he drops the beard, the Daniel Bryan name and just says he's Bryan Danielson and lets the WWE air the original Danielson-Cena video from whenever.