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The WWE Network 1-week free trial will be available as of Monday morning at 9 eastern at WWE.com.
Still unclear about when exactly the network will be up and running. The live stuff is not going to begin until Monday night after RAW with a post-show...but I'm assuming the VOD (only PPVs for WWF/WCW/ECW to start) will be up Monday morning.
While I'm most excited about the potential with their vast TV library (tho I'm not getting my hopes up about seeing Livewire, Superstars, WCW Saturday Night and all that sorta stuff), I'm pretty stoked for the live NXT special on Thursday.
Just got MLB.tv and gave it a lookover on my Roku and the quality is great so I'm expecting nothing worst for the WWEN.
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RE: WWEN
I agree with Warner...if this thing doesn't succeed, it will be almost no fault of the WWE or the company running the streaming. It just tells me the world isn't ready to buy in on ala carte streaming services.
There is no reason this shouldn't open up the door for every other network/brand to run a similar service for ala carte service.Comment
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Could they have botched the debut of Emma any worse than they have?Comment
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Nelson Frazier aka Mable, Viscera, Big Daddy V, has passed away at 43:
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Nelson Frazier aka Mable, Viscera, Big Daddy V, has passed away at 43:
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I am very curious as to why everyone in and around the business mentions "Randy Orton" every time they talk about guys in the ring.
They talk about him being some next-level in-ring guy, and I just have no idea what the fuck they are talking about. Anytime any of the wrestlers in or just out of the WWE or even some sort of management or someone close to the company about "top guys"...Randy Orton has been mentioned FOR YEARS.
I have no idea as to why.Comment
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Nelson Frazier aka Mable, Viscera, Big Daddy V, has passed away at 43:
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You have to remember something about wrestlers rating wrestlers. They rate guys on things fans can't see/don't care about. Who is easy to work with? Who works light but looks stiff & realistic? Who do they trust to keep them safe? Who can reign them in or help them understand when to let loose? These are things that mean very little or nothing aesthetically to a fan (nor should they, because as viewers, we just want the meal, we don't care about the recipe).
A good example of this is Kane. Wrestlers RAVE about Kane. CM Punk tells people he thinks he's not a good, but a GREAT worker. That's also the locker room consensus. People love working with Kane. From a fan perspective, he ranges from passable to shit. He's a standard big man. His resume of great matches isn't very long. He's just a guy. Nobody is confusing him with Kobashi. So when wrestlers rave about Orton (or anybody, for that matter) you have to take it with a grain of salt. Wrestlers aren't fans.
One non wrestler who always praises Orton is Meltzer. Keller likes his work a lot, too. But those are both guys who really like that vintage 00's WWE main event style. And if that style isn't right up the Orton alley, I don't know what is. Tellin' stories, bro. Grab a hold. Carbon copy match structure, rinse repeat.
I just think he's a guy who works to the level of his opponent. Put him with a bum, and he can't lead that bum. He often gets lost. Put him with a great worker, and he can be great. Because technically he's very good. Always in the right place, good timing, good base, etc. Is he going to carry Khali or Junkyard Dog or Kozlov or Darren Young or Kofi? Nope.Comment
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You have to remember something about wrestlers rating wrestlers. They rate guys on things fans can't see/don't care about. Who is easy to work with? Who works light but looks stiff & realistic? Who do they trust to keep them safe? Who can reign them in or help them understand when to let loose? These are things that mean very little or nothing aesthetically to a fan (nor should they, because as viewers, we just want the meal, we don't care about the recipe).
A good example of this is Kane. Wrestlers RAVE about Kane. CM Punk tells people he thinks he's not a good, but a GREAT worker. That's also the locker room consensus. People love working with Kane. From a fan perspective, he ranges from passable to shit. He's a standard big man. His resume of great matches isn't very long. He's just a guy. Nobody is confusing him with Kobashi. So when wrestlers rave about Orton (or anybody, for that matter) you have to take it with a grain of salt. Wrestlers aren't fans.
One non wrestler who always praises Orton is Meltzer. Keller likes his work a lot, too. But those are both guys who really like that vintage 00's WWE main event style. And if that style isn't right up the Orton alley, I don't know what is. Tellin' stories, bro. Grab a hold. Carbon copy match structure, rinse repeat.
I just think he's a guy who works to the level of his opponent. Put him with a bum, and he can't lead that bum. He often gets lost. Put him with a great worker, and he can be great. Because technically he's very good. Always in the right place, good timing, good base, etc. Is he going to carry Khali or Junkyard Dog or Kozlov or Darren Young or Kofi? Nope.
Also, daaaamn you threw Kofi under the bus with that group.
Not incredibly surprised about Kane either. Kane has always been very highly thought-of by UT and UT wields more influence over the lockerroom than anyone since mid-90's Bret. So it's a great endorsement. But also Kane has been reported to be a nice, sharp, down to earth guy. Never one to get an ego. It would surprise me if people didn't like working with him, based on that, even if the in-ring product wasn't the best. And I've always thought his uppercuts, while crappy looking, got a pretty good sound.Comment
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You have to remember something about wrestlers rating wrestlers. They rate guys on things fans can't see/don't care about. Who is easy to work with? Who works light but looks stiff & realistic? Who do they trust to keep them safe? Who can reign them in or help them understand when to let loose? These are things that mean very little or nothing aesthetically to a fan (nor should they, because as viewers, we just want the meal, we don't care about the recipe).
A good example of this is Kane. Wrestlers RAVE about Kane. CM Punk tells people he thinks he's not a good, but a GREAT worker. That's also the locker room consensus. People love working with Kane. From a fan perspective, he ranges from passable to shit. He's a standard big man. His resume of great matches isn't very long. He's just a guy. Nobody is confusing him with Kobashi. So when wrestlers rave about Orton (or anybody, for that matter) you have to take it with a grain of salt. Wrestlers aren't fans.
One non wrestler who always praises Orton is Meltzer. Keller likes his work a lot, too. But those are both guys who really like that vintage 00's WWE main event style. And if that style isn't right up the Orton alley, I don't know what is. Tellin' stories, bro. Grab a hold. Carbon copy match structure, rinse repeat.
I just think he's a guy who works to the level of his opponent. Put him with a bum, and he can't lead that bum. He often gets lost. Put him with a great worker, and he can be great. Because technically he's very good. Always in the right place, good timing, good base, etc. Is he going to carry Khali or Junkyard Dog or Kozlov or Darren Young or Kofi? Nope.My Twitch video link: http://www.twitch.tv/dave374000
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Thats what I was thinking on the wrestlers. Orton must be surprisingly easy to work with, because so many guys compliment him. Either that or they're kissing his ass to get somewhere or toe the company line. But with Punk and some other guys, they seemed very genuine. Which surprised me because he always came off as a mundane wrestler and a total asshole, so I wouldn't expect the parade of compliments by his peers...
Also, daaaamn you threw Kofi under the bus with that group.Comment
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You have to remember something about wrestlers rating wrestlers. They rate guys on things fans can't see/don't care about. Who is easy to work with? Who works light but looks stiff & realistic? Who do they trust to keep them safe? Who can reign them in or help them understand when to let loose? These are things that mean very little or nothing aesthetically to a fan (nor should they, because as viewers, we just want the meal, we don't care about the recipe).
A good example of this is Kane. Wrestlers RAVE about Kane. CM Punk tells people he thinks he's not a good, but a GREAT worker. That's also the locker room consensus. People love working with Kane. From a fan perspective, he ranges from passable to shit. He's a standard big man. His resume of great matches isn't very long. He's just a guy. Nobody is confusing him with Kobashi. So when wrestlers rave about Orton (or anybody, for that matter) you have to take it with a grain of salt. Wrestlers aren't fans.
One non wrestler who always praises Orton is Meltzer. Keller likes his work a lot, too. But those are both guys who really like that vintage 00's WWE main event style. And if that style isn't right up the Orton alley, I don't know what is. Tellin' stories, bro. Grab a hold. Carbon copy match structure, rinse repeat.
I just think he's a guy who works to the level of his opponent. Put him with a bum, and he can't lead that bum. He often gets lost. Put him with a great worker, and he can be great. Because technically he's very good. Always in the right place, good timing, good base, etc. Is he going to carry Khali or Junkyard Dog or Kozlov or Darren Young or Kofi? Nope.
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