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  • ThomasTomasz
    • Nov 2024

    With all of the rehashes in story lines and gimmicks going on, the best thing they could do if have Heyman and Punk lead a heel stable. It can't be anything like Nexus, though, and has to be new.

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    • JimLeavy59
      War Hero
      • May 2012
      • 7199

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        War Hero
        • May 2012
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          War Hero
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          • FedEx227
            Delivers
            • Mar 2009
            • 10454

            I get the "PG Era" deal, but as I've said a thousand times, Macho/Hogan was PG. Hogan/Andre was PG. Good stories can be told in PG. Look back at TV-14 WWE today and it's largely a bunch of crap (sometimes literally) and shock TV. What we remember though is awesome stories, no Austin/McMahon probably couldn't have happened as we remember it in PG, but the story itself could still be told.
            VoicesofWrestling.com

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            • Warner2BruceTD
              2011 Poster Of The Year
              • Mar 2009
              • 26142

              Sheamus should be a heel. He's cheesy as a face.

              Daniel Bryan should be an odds defying face, but not in the 'banana peel' way he was at first. A valiant, hard working, 'I can beat anyone' sort of character who believes he's the best. Like the brief "snap or tap" run he had right after NXT. That's his best role, he'd blow up.

              Randy Orton should always be a heel. Always.

              The Funkasaurus Guy should face Tensai next, but before the match, double clothesline the two skanks, while Tensai kills Mr. Miyagi or whatever. Then they should form a killer monster tag team, go to Smackdown, and completely destroy all of the flippy guys to set up a tag title match with Kingston & R-Truth.

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              • Warner2BruceTD
                2011 Poster Of The Year
                • Mar 2009
                • 26142

                But see, The Funkasaurus Guy should still do the dancing, only now he does it with a really mean looking scowl, while Tensai rubs his hands together and nods in approval (you know, because he's japanese, and that's what japanese heels do - think Mr Fuji).

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                • Warner2BruceTD
                  2011 Poster Of The Year
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 26142

                  Oh, i've got one more.

                  Damian Sandow should beat Sheamus and hold the title for like a million years.

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                  • JayDizzle
                    Let's Go All The Way...
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 14215

                    Beth Phoenix.

                    Intercontinental Champion.

                    Heath Slater, of the surprising success of his newest hit single, decides that he doesn't like the idea of a woman holding the title so he fights her.

                    Battle of the Sexes ensues with Phoenix kicking his ass.

                    It's not like we haven't seen it before, right?

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                    • s@ppisgod
                      No longer a noob
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 1032

                      The Attitude era is vastly overrated, even though I loved it. I'm currently in Dec 96 of re-watching WCW from the start of Nitro to 1999. I do remember it as being a lot better. I'm already growing tired of the NWO push, and the mid-upper card had a lot of crap. The Mauler and Jim Powers and Mongo and Jeff Jarrett and Craig Pittman and Ice Train. And crappy gimmicks like the Yeti and Loch Ness and all the continuing Dungeon garbage. Johnny Grafetti was a terrible gimmick, but I had no idea that he was in the Heavenly Bodies, who I remember as being very good in their short WWF run. But it's really only 25-35 entertaining minutes out of 2 hours. The cruiserweight matches are still gold after all these years.

                      The WWF holds up a looooot less from watching old Raws on 24/7. It's like watching mid-90s Jerry Springer. Raunchy, low brow stuff just doesn't holdup well. The mic skills are still great, but there's a lot that doesn't play well years after that was great to watch live. The matches though, were by and large terrible.

                      In the end, I think it's just about taking the product seriously. I think the WWE going back to an Attitude era direction could be worse TV than it is now, which is saying a lot. They need a more adult-oriented direction, and you can do that without the T and A and over the top cussing that they so heavily relied on. The Punk MITB storyline was adult while not being over the top.

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                      • Warner2BruceTD
                        2011 Poster Of The Year
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 26142

                        Originally posted by s@ppisgod
                        The Attitude era is vastly overrated, even though I loved it. I'm currently in Dec 96 of re-watching WCW from the start of Nitro to 1999. I do remember it as being a lot better. I'm already growing tired of the NWO push, and the mid-upper card had a lot of crap. The Mauler and Jim Powers and Mongo and Jeff Jarrett and Craig Pittman and Ice Train. And crappy gimmicks like the Yeti and Loch Ness and all the continuing Dungeon garbage. Johnny Grafetti was a terrible gimmick, but I had no idea that he was in the Heavenly Bodies, who I remember as being very good in their short WWF run. But it's really only 25-35 entertaining minutes out of 2 hours.
                        When I tell people I hated the Attitude Era, and that I largely checked out of following WWE closely during that time, they react like i'm crazy. I thought WCW was a far superior product at the time, with the loaded undercard. WCW always had the stronger undercard, while WWE had the stronger main events. But since I was never really into guys like Triple H, Rock, Austin, Undertaker, and since the undercard was mostly trash, WWE really didn't have much for me.

                        Looking back, the TV was brutal. Those RAW's from that era are truly terrible.

                        Of the three, WCW holds up much, much better 15 years later than WWE or ECW.

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                        • FedEx227
                          Delivers
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 10454

                          I think of them fondly because that's the era of wrestling I grew up in but having rewatched PPVs and Raws from that era, it's awful. I say the same thing about ECW. It probably made a lot more sense in the 90s but it's not good TV, it's largely stupid.

                          Give me 1992 WWF over 1998 anyday. 1999 is probably my least favorite year in wrestling, just nothing really exciting at any point. Loved 2000 and the first part of 2001 though from WWF's perspective.
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                          • s@ppisgod
                            No longer a noob
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 1032

                            Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
                            When I tell people I hated the Attitude Era, and that I largely checked out of following WWE closely during that time, they react like i'm crazy. I thought WCW was a far superior product at the time, with the loaded undercard. WCW always had the stronger undercard, while WWE had the stronger main events. But since I was never really into guys like Triple H, Rock, Austin, Undertaker, and since the undercard was mostly trash, WWE really didn't have much for me.

                            Looking back, the TV was brutal. Those RAW's from that era are truly terrible.

                            Of the three, WCW holds up much, much better 15 years later than WWE or ECW.
                            It's sad though, because WCW could have had a good, if not outright better, main event scene. But with flubs like the DDP/Goldberg Havoc match, which was great, but cut off on PPV and probably lost them fans just so Hogan had enough time to get his win back. The infamous Starrcade 97 payoff, or lack thereof. And the Fingerpoke match, which the crowd actually really wanted to see. No one likes to remember it that way, because Nash was a douche, but the Wolfpack (Nash especially) was crazy over

                            WCW holds up more because it was grounded in reality, and they had guys with really cutting edge in-ring work. WWF was so cartoonishly over the top that it ages incredibly fast over a short period of time. Meanwhile, something like Owen/Bret could still be very entertaining today, because of the realism and the pace. The pace of a lot of matches in WCW was usually pretty good, where as WWF was still very archaic. Very slow and deliberate. It still somewhat is. *cough*Orton*cough*.

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                            • LiquidLarry2GhostWF
                              Highwayman
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 15429

                              The Attitude Era is remembered for a few things...

                              Steve Austin v. Vince McMahon clips...15m Austin segments on 2h RAWs all of a suddenly made RAW epic.
                              The Rock
                              The nWo...which really was only good until October...once Piper showed up
                              WCW's Cruserweights
                              ECW clips.
                              GOLBERG!!! RAWR!

                              When taken in samples...sounds like the Attitude Era was loads of awesome. Because all of that shit was awesome.

                              But what they don't remember is...

                              The countless WCW B-flick level gimmicks.
                              The countless WWF B-flick level gimmicks.
                              The nWo never getting their comeuppance and shuffling 3/4 of the roster in the stable.
                              The WCW main event being absolutely putrid.
                              ECW toiling in obscurity after all of the major stars left for the WWE and WCW.
                              Russo's Crash Booking with short, shit matches, lots of corny backstage vignettes and gimmicks and 25m long promos after the "Rock This Is Your Life" segment got a major spike in ratings.

                              It should be no shock that the WWE had their greatest PPV just weeks after the Attitude Era. The Attitude Era had a lot of awesome moments...but on the whole...people kind of forget how bad things were.

                              I kind of like the WWE era right after the Invasion Angle...the Smackdown Six era was pretty good WWE TV, IMO. Pre-Attitude Era (using Survivor Series 97 as a benchmark) was pretty awesome with The Hart Foundation, Austin pre-Vince overload, Brian Pillman, Goldust, Birth of Austin 3:16, Bret v. Owen, Hart v. Michaels pre-Montreal, first go-around of Mankind-Undertaker, Michaels beastly 1996 run, Austin-Hart, et al. I also prefer WCW before Hogan showed up and ECW before it became mainstream.

                              Attitude Era was a bit before the internet really went HAM with wrestling...so it seemed like there was never more wrestling available to the masses...couple it with Russo-tastic booking...and, a lot of the shit is so forgettable and happened so much, that people forget it happened...

                              The good stuff was awesome. The bad stuff was a lot more frequent than people remember it.

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                              • Warner2BruceTD
                                2011 Poster Of The Year
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 26142

                                Listening to Gabe Sapolsky on with Bryan Alvarez.

                                He said with ECW Arena closing down, he can't find building to run in the northeast. BB King's in New York doesnt want them back because they said the wrestling fans didnt buy enough food or alcohol. ACE Arena in Jersey closed down. His building in Boston has new owners who wont answer his emails.

                                Sorta explains why EVOLVE is running in front of 25 people in Florida and North Carolina.

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