The General Wrestling Thread

[Bigpapa42]

That total trip was about 8000-9000 KM (4800 miles). This one would probably end up being similar. Its the punishment faced for living in the middle of fucking nowhere. Flying makes so much more sense, but you miss so much doing that.

The real fun part was that I did all the driving on that last trip, and probably would again on this one too.

[adembroski]

A thought on Money in the Bank...

Honestly, its perhaps the most successful gimmick the WWE uses, save perhaps being Royal Rumble winner.

Unlike 99% of what the WWE does, it reinforces consequence, makes matches meaningful, and is one of the few unpredictable things the WWE does. I believe every Money in the Bank winner has gone on to win the championship... but you never know when or where it'll be cashed in. It's been cashed in on network television and on PPVs.

I heard someone bitching not too long ago that they did all that building up of Nexus and Wade Barrett only to give The Miz the title and that made no sense. I think it made perfect sense precisely because of Wade Barrett and Nexus. I never saw it coming, and thus it gave me a sense that there were things going on other than Nexus. WCW and TNA have both failed to keep a living, breathing world alive outside of NWO/Immortal. The WWE has effectively made Nexus a part of WWE rather than being the WWE at the moment with this one move... plus putting the big strap on The Miz puts over who could go on to be the one true money draw of the next ten years of professional wrestling (being that as far as I'm concerned, he's the only guy left who's in business for himself and not just reading off the cue card).

(plus I think they're going to use Nexus to turn Miz 'face)

Money in the Bank is a microcosm of everything professional wrestling needs to get back in order to be successful again.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

A thought on Money in the Bank...

Honestly, its perhaps the most successful gimmick the WWE uses, save perhaps being Royal Rumble winner.

Unlike 99% of what the WWE does, it reinforces consequence, makes matches meaningful, and is one of the few unpredictable things the WWE does. I believe every Money in the Bank winner has gone on to win the championship... but you never know when or where it'll be cashed in. It's been cashed in on network television and on PPVs.

I heard someone bitching not too long ago that they did all that building up of Nexus and Wade Barrett only to give The Miz the title and that made no sense. I think it made perfect sense precisely because of Wade Barrett and Nexus. I never saw it coming, and thus it gave me a sense that there were things going on other than Nexus. WCW and TNA have both failed to keep a living, breathing world alive outside of NWO/Immortal. The WWE has effectively made Nexus a part of WWE rather than being the WWE at the moment with this one move... plus putting the big strap on The Miz puts over who could go on to be the one true money draw of the next ten years of professional wrestling (being that as far as I'm concerned, he's the only guy left who's in business for himself and not just reading off the cue card).

(plus I think they're going to use Nexus to turn Miz 'face)

Money in the Bank is a microcosm of everything professional wrestling needs to get back in order to be successful again.

Money in the Bank
King of the Ring
Royal Rumble

Tournaments and things like that are great ways of elevating mid-card talent to the next level...at the end of the day, it is one big event to promote the rise of a talent.

It is why tonight's KotR is going to be a good, fun watch...everyone in it is in need of some sort of boost or notch on their belt...this is a great way for those guys to get it. A whole three hours that will highlight the rise of one guy to the next level. Same with MitB, except it is a match. The Royal Rumble...one match...but then pending road to WrestleMania gives this one guy the opportunity to be the focal point. I still wish they'd get rid of the PPV between the RR and WM...it'd make WM that much more important.

[Warner2BruceTD]

In Japan, tournaments are a staple. They base entire tours around them, and they are always used to elevate guys or set up money drawing matches.

New Japan has the G1 Climax, G1 Tag, Best of the Super Juniors, Junior Tag League, and now the J Cup is back.

NOAH has four yearly tournaments, All Japan still does the Carnival tournaments, even Dragon Gate does them now, and smaller groups like Zero-1 with the Fire Festival.

The formula is simple, do a big round robin with a point system, bring in some outsiders to spice things up, have someone pin the champ along the way (to set up a title match), let a young guy go further than expected to elevate him, boom, success.

I always thought these types of tournaments were highly underutilized in the U.S.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

In Japan, tournaments are a staple. They base entire tours around them, and they are always used to elevate guys or set up money drawing matches.

New Japan has the G1 Climax, G1 Tag, Best of the Super Juniors, Junior Tag League, and now the J Cup is back.

NOAH has four yearly tournaments, All Japan still does the Carnival tournaments, even Dragon Gate does them now, and smaller groups like Zero-1 with the Fire Festival.

The formula is simple, do a big round robin with a point system, bring in some outsiders to spice things up, have someone pin the champ along the way (to set up a title match), let a young guy go further than expected to elevate him, boom, success.

I always thought these types of tournaments were highly underutilized in the U.S.

It is simplicity that is missing from wrestling...its gotten too far away from the pseudo sport and strictly focusing on the entertainment aspect. That is where if a company like TNA (lulz) could take advantage of their ability to market their product nationally. Instead, they are cool with being dollar store end of the era wCw. Whatever floats their boat.

[EmpireWF]

Another lucha murder

From F4W:

Details are sketchy but the Attorney General of Mexico City announced today the death of Ignacio Jimenez, 34, who wrestled as El Hijo de Cien Caras.

The murder was believed to have taken place Sunday night, inside a Honda CRV where Jiminez and Adela Luna, a female companion, 45, were both found dead. Both were shot twice in the neck and head from close range.

[Kuzzy Powers]

A thought on Money in the Bank...

Honestly, its perhaps the most successful gimmick the WWE uses, save perhaps being Royal Rumble winner.

Unlike 99% of what the WWE does, it reinforces consequence, makes matches meaningful, and is one of the few unpredictable things the WWE does. I believe every Money in the Bank winner has gone on to win the championship... but you never know when or where it'll be cashed in. It's been cashed in on network television and on PPVs.

I heard someone bitching not too long ago that they did all that building up of Nexus and Wade Barrett only to give The Miz the title and that made no sense. I think it made perfect sense precisely because of Wade Barrett and Nexus. I never saw it coming, and thus it gave me a sense that there were things going on other than Nexus. WCW and TNA have both failed to keep a living, breathing world alive outside of NWO/Immortal. The WWE has effectively made Nexus a part of WWE rather than being the WWE at the moment with this one move... plus putting the big strap on The Miz puts over who could go on to be the one true money draw of the next ten years of professional wrestling (being that as far as I'm concerned, he's the only guy left who's in business for himself and not just reading off the cue card).

(plus I think they're going to use Nexus to turn Miz 'face)

Money in the Bank is a microcosm of everything professional wrestling needs to get back in order to be successful again.

Agreed with pretty much everything you said outside of turning Miz face. Perhaps years down the line, but hes way too good as a heel right now to make that move.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Another lucha murder

From F4W:

Details are sketchy but the Attorney General of Mexico City announced today the death of Ignacio Jimenez, 34, who wrestled as El Hijo de Cien Caras.

The murder was believed to have taken place Sunday night, inside a Honda CRV where Jiminez and Adela Luna, a female companion, 45, were both found dead. Both were shot twice in the neck and head from close range.

Want to be real confused?

El Hijo Del Cien Caras is not realted to the famous Caras family, which includes Cien Caras, Cien Caras Jr., Mil Mascaras, Dos Caras, and Alberto Del Rio, who is actually Dos Caras Jr. I suspect El Hijo Del Cien Caras paid the family to use the gimmick, but he is actually the brother of LA Park, who is the original La Parka, but is not related in any way to the current La Parka. He is, however, the nephew of Super Parka who used to be Volador until he lost his mask, and the cousin of Volador Jr. None of these men are related to Mini Park.

Got it?

[SuperKevin]

Fail by having Daniel Bryan and Alberto Del Rio face each other in the first round

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Gimme my props when Morrison wins this thang.

[Warner2BruceTD]

The Miz is cutting a money promo right now.

TREMENDOUS

[wingsfan77]

I only tune in to WWE every once in a blue moon to see what's going on, but I believe tonight's RAW is in Philly? And what do I hear when I turn on? Miz vs. Jerry "The King" Lawler for the belt.....really?

[SuperKevin]

I only tune in to WWE every once in a blue moon to see what's going on, but I believe tonight's RAW is in Philly? And what do I hear when I turn on? Miz vs. Jerry "The King" Lawler for the belt.....really?

Id rther see Lawler in the ring than Flair or Hogan

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

I only tune in to WWE every once in a blue moon to see what's going on, but I believe tonight's RAW is in Philly? And what do I hear when I turn on? Miz vs. Jerry "The King" Lawler for the belt.....really?

TABLES!!!! LADDERS!!!!.... AND CHAIRS?!?!?!?! lol.... JERRY JERRY JERRY JERRY JERRY

[Warner2BruceTD]

Lawler is gonna pull down the strap, win the belt, and take the WWE Title to the Mid South Colisseum for title defenses against Bill Dundee & Austin Idol.

BOOK IT