Burke: Concerned about the NHL's direction on Fighting

[FirstTimer]

I'm fairly sure if the NFL had fighting, that MFer Harrison from Pittsburgh wouldn't be head hunting on hits because he would have got the fuck beat out of him by now.

That's cute.

[Ravin]

That's cute.

So is you talking about hockey. :giggity::giggity::giggity:

[FirstTimer]

So is you talking about hockey. :giggity::giggity::giggity:

Ditto.

[wr50l]

I think money and lots of it sends a clearer message rather than a fist to the face over the long term.

So wait, why did you punch that annoying girl in the ovaries? Should have just fined her.

[FirstTimer]

So wait, why did you punch that annoying girl in the ovaries? Should have just fined her.

Bitch was poor.

[wr50l]

I'd be inclined to give you the extra 2 for instigator nonetheless.

[wr50l]

Was her name Sean Avery? That would make a whole lot more sense than it should.

[sraczk2011]

The Burke situation is odd. Not that I trust the NHL FO to ever really do anything well...but one would think that if fighting, dirty play etc was punished more severely by the FO it would be drastically reduced. I think money and lots of it sends a clearer message rather than a fist to the face over the long term.

Unless you're Andy Sutton, who's lost 32% of his salary so far this year to suspension.

[leaffan]

This popped up on twitter today and its an article from PowerScoutHockey in which they measure fighting in terms of momentum using NHL numbers from the current NHL:

http://powerscouthockey.com/blog/measuring-impact-nhl-fights-momentum-and-scoring-well-potential-coachs-strategy

It has a bunch of graphs and shit in it which is why I didn't just copy and paste the whole thing. Their main conclusion is:

The data analysis of 1,563 fights suggests the following findings:

1. If a fight occurs there is a 50/50 chance your team will have an increase in momentum. If so you can expect to gain about 0.1 of a goal in scoring if this happens randomly. Hence it will take just over 60 fights to get a win.

2. If a fight happens when the team is playing poorly, team scoring can be boosted to about 0.2 of a goal because team momentum increases. In this case it will take about 30 fights to achieve a win.

3. There is no home ice advantage to fighting.

CONCLUSION: Overall these results suggest that fighting by itself does not significantly help a team score more goals or win more games, but it can often increase short-term momentum (i.e. the RATE at which they are getting shots) for one or both teams. Statistically speaking, if fights happen randomly it will take about 60 fights to equal one win, but if their timing is managed by the coach it could take as few as 30 fights to equal one win. PowerScout has uncovered many other factors that can provide a much greater contribution to winning than fighting, such as having a good penalty killing unit.

For interest sake, further study into the impacts of fighting on team momentum could add more context to these results. Other factors that could influence the fight/momentum analysis include 3 minutes after the fight versus other time ranges, who won the fight, the score, period, shots by line, powerplay opportunity, time in period, time of year, and quality of opposition. These will be explored with future research depending on availability of the data required.

A little more precise with their numbers but it shows how fights help swing momemtum which they measure by shots on goal.

[spiker]

Well Columbus should just hire a few MMA guys to skate around and beat the shit out of people then if they plan on making the playoffs.

[leaffan]

Well Columbus should just hire a few MMA guys to skate around and beat the shit out of people then if they plan on making the playoffs.

Knowing their luck they'd just get injured.

[spiker]

Knowing their luck they'd just get injured.

I thought fighting or "self policing" helps to prevent injuries.

[killgod]

sarcastic comment about their injury woes went right over your head, eh?

[spiker]

I need to turn my sarcasm meter on today.

[leaffan]

I thought fighting or "self policing" helps to prevent injuries.

I think you missed the point.

Columbus has had a bunch of guys get odd injuries this year. Letestu got injured by taking a fairly light hit from a shark player.

Carter broke his foot when blocking a shot and then just seperated his shoulder by taking a hit.


Could be worse though. Dustin Penner just injured his back when he was eating pancakes lol.