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  • leaffan
    Colton Orr Fan
    • Feb 2009
    • 11082

    #16
    Things leaffan thinks the habs should do. (no troll edition)

    - Fire their GM asap unless they have some sort of reason to keep him around. His bizzare player moves and personal decisions are leaving the team in shambles.

    - Start scouting for coaches and assess the current coaching situation. Firing their assistant was a dumb idea considering how bad the PP has been since the firing.

    Realistically become a seller at the deadline if the playoff picture gets even worse which then would result in trades such as:

    - Trading Kostitsyn (UFA). I'm sure a Nashville, LA, St. Louis, Dallas ect ect would possibly pony up their 1st rounder closer to the deadline if they feel they had a legit shot at running deep into the playoffs.

    - Trading Hal Gill (UFA). Could result in more draft picks and possibly prospects to a team wanting some defensive depth.

    Players like Moen and Desharnais could fetch decent picks or prospects to teams in the playoff hunt as well.

    Next year:

    Bury Gomez in the minors and just pray he either gets his game back enough that he could possibly because a waiver claim or that he helps out the younger players. It just doesn't make sense for him to be in the NHL with the lack of progress he's making.

    Carey Price sign to a 5 or 6 year deal with a 6+ cap hit or go long term for lower cap hit. He needs to be signed. This is one time they can't be penny pinching.

    Emelin and Subban need to have 2 or 3 year deals. Subbans cap hit will be higher. Emelin is severly under rated and should stay with the team. The core of Emelin, Subban, and Gorges are pretty good building blocks.

    Kaberle or Markov will need to have decisions made for the next season. I really don't see them having a need for both players. At least they would have 2 years left at the end of this season. The canadiens at least have some really good Dmen in the minors. Nathan Beaulieu will replace Markov and/or Kaberle easily hence why I'm thinking trading one of those two players away either in the last year of their deal or the year before would be more benefitial to the team.

    Quick side note for funny reasons. They have a dman named Jarred Tinordi in their system. Dude's a beast. 6'7 212. He is the big powerful Dman they want. He's going to be 20 next month and will be either playing for the Canadiens next year or their AHL team. If they trade him away I will laugh.


    They don't need to go through a complete rebuild and restructering like their fans seem to think they do. They have the goalie and and they have a solid backend coming up. They just need to get some forwards that will do something and not over pay them. This may take a while but they have enough in place to really turn the culture and play around in a short period of time and not have to go the Edmonton route.

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    • dave
      Go the fuck outside
      • Oct 2008
      • 15492

      #17
      If a team was willing to give up a 1st round pick for Kostitsyn, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
      Not sure what Hal Gill could get them, but Tinordi is around the corner like you mentioned.
      I still don't get the Markov contract ... or trading for Kaberle - which perfectly illustrates why Gauthier should be fired.

      Don't get me wrong on Price, I put him in that Ovechkin trade because a price has to be paid. That said, his play this season is not where it was last year. I suspect even he'd agree. I'm not sure I would hand Price $6M over 5 or 6 years.

      Subban's cap hit is 3 to 3.5M next year guaranteed. Emelin, I also like.

      I like Moen and wouldn't trade him, Desharnais either.

      I'd love the Habs to bury Gomez in the minors, but I'm not sure they'd do it.
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      • ThomasTomasz
        • Nov 2024

        #18
        Dave, the Caps could care less about Price with Neuvirth and Holtby. Vokoun is likely not coming back next season regardless of what happens this year, and that was why the Caps were able to trade Varlamov to the Avs for picks this off-season. The team is loaded in goal throughout the minors. You would have to give them something else of worth besides Price as the centerpiece.

        And of course, the Caps won't trade Ovechkin right now. I could see it in two or three seasons if the team continues to sputter in the playoffs and dealing Ovechkin would be a more realistic possibility than it is now. But there are a lot of "ifs" in that equation.

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        • leaffan
          Colton Orr Fan
          • Feb 2009
          • 11082

          #19
          Originally posted by dave
          If a team was willing to give up a 1st round pick for Kostitsyn, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
          Not sure what Hal Gill could get them, but Tinordi is around the corner like you mentioned.
          I still don't get the Markov contract ... or trading for Kaberle - which perfectly illustrates why Gauthier should be fired.

          Don't get me wrong on Price, I put him in that Ovechkin trade because a price has to be paid. That said, his play this season is not where it was last year. I suspect even he'd agree. I'm not sure I would hand Price $6M over 5 or 6 years.

          Subban's cap hit is 3 to 3.5M next year guaranteed. Emelin, I also like.

          I like Moen and wouldn't trade him, Desharnais either.

          I'd love the Habs to bury Gomez in the minors, but I'm not sure they'd do it.
          If they don't bury that gomez contract next year then I will seriously question the GM because there is some other reason gomez is up and taking the roster spot of a player that could do more.

          Kaberle, Mike Fisher and Versteeg all got late first rounders last year so I wouldn't be surprised Kostitsyn can fetch that.

          Hal Gill and Moen just feel like guys that will get them 2nd and 3rd rounders which they could turn into a first or moving up to get a player. Gill got a 2nd and a 5th when he was traded from TO to pittsburgh back in 08 and the same thing could happen again to a team like Wash, philly ect ect.

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          • wr50l
            Glen & CJ are secret Huns
            • Oct 2008
            • 4114

            #20

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            • Boss AZ
              Hi Haters
              • Feb 2009
              • 1689

              #21
              I almost want to post the on HF but they probably ban me.

              WTF is this?

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              • ThomasTomasz
                • Nov 2024

                #22
                Originally posted by Boss AZ
                I almost want to post the on HF but they probably ban me.

                WTF is this?
                Its a fantasy hockey trade at best. It actually would make for an interesting topic- what is Alex Ovechkin worth? It certainly wouldn't include a goalie- as I said the Caps are stacked. And I don't think they would entertain moving him right now, but it would be cool to see what people think.

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                • dave
                  Go the fuck outside
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 15492

                  #23
                  Originally posted by ThomasTomasz
                  Its a fantasy hockey trade at best. It actually would make for an interesting topic- what is Alex Ovechkin worth? It certainly wouldn't include a goalie- as I said the Caps are stacked. And I don't think they would entertain moving him right now, but it would be cool to see what people think.
                  I am curious about that too.
                  I can understand why people believe what Montreal has to offer may not be enough. I am curious what is.
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                  • leaffan
                    Colton Orr Fan
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 11082

                    #24
                    Originally posted by dave
                    I am curious about that too.
                    I can understand why people believe what Montreal has to offer may not be enough. I am curious what is.
                    The only way someone is going to pry Ovy out of washington at this point is if some rediculous amount of 1st round + 2nd round picks are offered.

                    I just don't think you can offer up a bunch of players for a player like that because quality is > quantity.

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                    • ThomasTomasz
                      • Nov 2024

                      #25
                      Originally posted by leaffan
                      The only way someone is going to pry Ovy out of washington at this point is if some rediculous amount of 1st round + 2nd round picks are offered.

                      I just don't think you can offer up a bunch of players for a player like that because quality is > quantity.
                      If a package did involve players, it would have to be two "star" players at the least, plus a package of picks.

                      We also talk about it being "worth it" from the Capitals perspective, but what about the other team? Is it worth giving up two legit players and/or screwing yourself out of top-end draft picks?

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                      • leaffan
                        Colton Orr Fan
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 11082

                        #26
                        Originally posted by ThomasTomasz
                        If a package did involve players, it would have to be two "star" players at the least, plus a package of picks.

                        We also talk about it being "worth it" from the Capitals perspective, but what about the other team? Is it worth giving up two legit players and/or screwing yourself out of top-end draft picks?
                        Depends on the team and the situation.

                        Someone like Nashville could do a package like Shea Weber + picks and the impact on the team would be worth it.

                        Just having some offensive star power would put more butts in the seats and possibly turn that franchise into a destination.

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                        • theMINI
                          #36
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 3982

                          #27
                          As the only Montrealer in this bitch, I say no.

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