Suarez is a 'disgrace'

[calgaryballer]

Because Evra has a history of making false claims and the FA are hypocrites and biased. Its 1 players word against the other, you can't find someone guilty on that. The real disgrace is the way Luis has been treated and I will continue to back him all the way.

Evra has never made false accusations! The Chelsea one was brought by Mike Phelan who said he heard the claims towards Evra. Those weren't true, but Evra requested a private hearing and tried to stay away from it.

In this case, SUAREZ ADMITTED CALLING HIM A NEGRO! A THIRD PARTY FOUND THAT THE CONTEXT WAS HOSTILE AND WOULD BE CONSIDERED RACIST ANYWHERE IN THE RIVER PLATE REGION! That isn't one player against another. Suarez said I did it, but it didn't mean that much. Evra said he used a slightly different word and said it three more times than they found to be correct. In the heat of battle should we really expect the RACIALLY ABUSED PARTY to count exactly how many times they heard that word? "Oh, he only called you negro 4 times but you said 8? Guess he goes free"

What other absolutely stupid ideas have been posted in this thread? Evra slightly pulls his handback while Suarez very obviously skips him and goes to De Gea? I don't blame Evra if he feels conflicted over this, it's only been a couple months since Suarez was abusing him. Even if there was a slight pause his hand was still there to be shaken HAD SUAREZ WANTED TO. This was premeditated by Suarez

I love how Liverpool fans are so FUCKING STUPID that somehow Evra trying to be a bigger man and move past this means he was lying the whole time? Suarez was found guilty and served a suspension. Evra acknowledges this and admitted Suarez ISN'T A RACIST (which doesn't mean he didn't say RACIST things). Shaking hands was an easy way to bring closure to this situation, or at the very least distract from it. Suarez wasn't a big enough man to do so

This thread is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not sure what media conspiracy MGB and Caribbean think we are falling prey to, but it doesn't exist. Why would Dalglish say that Suarez was going to do it, and then pretend he didn't see it? The only reason this is still news is because Liverpool is making it!

Papa, BH, Fappin and myself are all fans of teams outside this rivalry. This isn't just a ManU/Liverpool rivalry thing. I've been pretty clear in my history on this board of bashing both these teams equally because of their spoiled fanbases. But Ferguson and Evra have handled this with more class than a lot of other things in their history. Frankly, Ferguson was right: if Suarez was so innocent, why not appeal?

[calgaryballer]

Regarding Evra's celebration, not much else to be said. If Suarez had shaken his hand, I don't think that happens. Was it immature? Yes. Is it understandable? Yes. The guy who abused him couldn't man up to shake my hand, you're fucking right I am getting right in his grill after we've won the match

[CaribbeanJoseph]

Evra has never made false accusations! The Chelsea one was brought by Mike Phelan who said he heard the claims towards Evra. Those weren't true, but Evra requested a private hearing and tried to stay away from it.

In this case, SUAREZ ADMITTED CALLING HIM A NEGRO! A THIRD PARTY FOUND THAT THE CONTEXT WAS HOSTILE AND WOULD BE CONSIDERED RACIST ANYWHERE IN THE RIVER PLATE REGION! That isn't one player against another. Suarez said I did it, but it didn't mean that much. Evra said he used a slightly different word and said it three more times than they found to be correct. In the heat of battle should we really expect the RACIALLY ABUSED PARTY to count exactly how many times they heard that word? "Oh, he only called you negro 4 times but you said 8? Guess he goes free"

What other absolutely stupid ideas have been posted in this thread? Evra slightly pulls his handback while Suarez very obviously skips him and goes to De Gea? I don't blame Evra if he feels conflicted over this, it's only been a couple months since Suarez was abusing him. Even if there was a slight pause his hand was still there to be shaken HAD SUAREZ WANTED TO. This was premeditated by Suarez

I love how Liverpool fans are so FUCKING STUPID that somehow Evra trying to be a bigger man and move past this means he was lying the whole time? Suarez was found guilty and served a suspension. Evra acknowledges this and admitted Suarez ISN'T A RACIST (which doesn't mean he didn't say RACIST things). Shaking hands was an easy way to bring closure to this situation, or at the very least distract from it. Suarez wasn't a big enough man to do so

This thread is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not sure what media conspiracy MGB and Caribbean think we are falling prey to, but it doesn't exist. Why would Dalglish say that Suarez was going to do it, and then pretend he didn't see it? The only reason this is still news is because Liverpool is making it!

Papa, BH, Fappin and myself are all fans of teams outside this rivalry. This isn't just a ManU/Liverpool rivalry thing. I've been pretty clear in my history on this board of bashing both these teams equally because of their spoiled fanbases. But Ferguson and Evra have handled this with more class than a lot of other things in their history. Frankly, Ferguson was right: if Suarez was so innocent, why not appeal?

What Luis has admitted he said and what Evra is claiming are miles apart.

[calgaryballer]

What Luis has admitted he said and what Evra is claiming are miles apart.

Come on. You're just being wilfully ignorant here. There is a reason that one of Britain's best lawyers issued a 115 page judgement. They wanted it airtight against appeal and found that Evra, combined with his witnesses, was telling the truth. Suarez, and his witnesses, changed their story multiple times. Which one is lying?

Regardless, if he said Negro ONCE in an angry way (which I believe he did), the 8 game ban is justified

[Chrispy]

Mr Suarez's evidence was unreliable in relation to matters of critical importance.
It was, in part, inconsistent with the contemporaneous evidence, especially the
video footage. For example, Mr Suarez said that he pinched Mr Evra's skin in an
attempt to defuse the situation. He also said that his use of the word "negro" to
address Mr Evra was conciliatory and friendly. We rejected that evidence..

[CaribbeanJoseph]

Come on. You're just being wilfully ignorant here. There is a reason that one of Britain's best lawyers issued a 115 page judgement. They wanted it airtight against appeal and found that Evra, combined with his witnesses, was telling the truth. Suarez, and his witnesses, changed their story multiple times. Which one is lying?

Regardless, if he said Negro ONCE in an angry way (which I believe he did), the 8 game ban is justified

Luis says he called him a negro once, Evra says he repeatedly called him a negro, said he didn't talk to blacks and that he fouled him cause he was black???

[Chrispy]

In paragraph 27 of his witness statement, Mr Suarez said this:

"Evra did not back off and Dirk Kuyt was approaching us to stand between us. At
this point I touched PE's left arm in a pinching type of movement. This all happened
very quickly. I was trying to defuse the situation and was trying to intimate to Evra
that he was not untouchable by reference to his question about the foul. Under no
circumstances was this action intended to be offensive and most certainly not
racially offensive. It was not in any way a reference to the colour of PE's skin."
(emphasis added)

246. Mr Greaney cross-examined Mr Suarez about this paragraph in Mr Suarez's witness
statement, just after showing Mr Suarez a clip of the goalmouth incident. The extract from
the transcript below omits the translation of the questions into Spanish, and Mr Suarez's
answers in Spanish. The answers given below are the interpreter's translation of Mr
Suarez's answers in Spanish.

"MR GREANEY: Mr Suarez, the first thing I would like to ask you, now that we have
seen those again, is: is it correct, as you say in paragraph 27 of your witness
statement, that you were trying to defuse or calm down the situation in the goal
mouth?

A. That's why I was explaining to him that it was a normal foul.

Q. Let me be as clear as I can. Was your aim, when you were in the goal mouth, and
speaking to Mr Evra, to calm down the situation? 63
A. I wasn't thinking about speaking to anyone. He was the one to come to me and
speak to me.

Q. What we want to know, or at least I do, is what was in your mind? Was it in your
mind to try to calm down the situation?
A. He was asking me, "Why did you kick me?" Those were football conversations,
and I replied, "This is a normal foul. What do you want me to do?"

Q. Do you see paragraph 27 of your statement? Does it read: "I was trying to defuse
or calm the situation"?
A. By the gesture I was doing with my hands, I could show that I was trying to
explain the situation, because these are conversations that you have in the field.

Q. Mr Suarez, I have to suggest to you that my question is really a very simple one.
In the goal mouth, and in particular as you pinched the skin of Mr Evra, do you say
you were trying to calm the situation?
A. Not after the pinch, because he was saying that he was going to hit me.

Q. I'll just make one more attempt, and then we will move on. In your statement,
over which we have understood you took some care, you have said of the pinching:
"I was trying to defuse the situation." All I wish to know is whether that is true or
not.
A. I was not trying to calm down the situation, but trying to explain to Evra why I
was doing this foul, and when - then he replied, "I'm going to hit you", and I was
trying to show him that he was not untouchable, not in the foul and not by the
gesture that I did with the - by the pinch I was doing to his arm, that he wasn't
untouchable.

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/2011/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/Disciplinary/Written%20reasons/FA%20v%20Suarez%20Written%20Reasons%20of%20Regulatory%20Commission.ashx

[CaribbeanJoseph]

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplin...ommission.ashx

And that all proves what exactly?

[Chrispy]

Nothing, just thought it was funny....

Guy took forever to answer a simple question

[CaribbeanJoseph]

Nothing, just thought it was funny....

Guy took forever to answer a simple question

Yea I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that its a stressful enviorment and he doesn't speak english.

[1ke]

See. This is why I said what I did to MGB. Pat didn't accuse anyone of anything in the Chelsea incident. And Suarez admitted to saying what he did. So it just isn't worth it to argue this. Its dumb. Only the supporters of this club (Scouse) could be this clueless about all of this.

Fantastic post CB.

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[wr50l]

This handshake stuff has done nothing positive for the league, it's not improved respect and instead has become a focal point for the media to see their headlines played out.

If someone disrespected me, I would not shake their hand unless I felt the issue had been settled with a genuine apology. Even then it may not be enough. I was critical of the length of the suspension and remain so; but having seen Suarez' refusal to acknowledge his mistake I myself would struggle to show the man even the symbolic respect of a handshake.

[mgoblue2290]

Evra has never made false accusations! The Chelsea one was brought by Mike Phelan who said he heard the claims towards Evra. Those weren't true, but Evra requested a private hearing and tried to stay away from it.

In this case, SUAREZ ADMITTED CALLING HIM A NEGRO! A THIRD PARTY FOUND THAT THE CONTEXT WAS HOSTILE AND WOULD BE CONSIDERED RACIST ANYWHERE IN THE RIVER PLATE REGION! That isn't one player against another. Suarez said I did it, but it didn't mean that much. Evra said he used a slightly different word and said it three more times than they found to be correct. In the heat of battle should we really expect the RACIALLY ABUSED PARTY to count exactly how many times they heard that word? "Oh, he only called you negro 4 times but you said 8? Guess he goes free"

What other absolutely stupid ideas have been posted in this thread? Evra slightly pulls his handback while Suarez very obviously skips him and goes to De Gea? I don't blame Evra if he feels conflicted over this, it's only been a couple months since Suarez was abusing him. Even if there was a slight pause his hand was still there to be shaken HAD SUAREZ WANTED TO. This was premeditated by Suarez

I love how Liverpool fans are so FUCKING STUPID that somehow Evra trying to be a bigger man and move past this means he was lying the whole time? Suarez was found guilty and served a suspension. Evra acknowledges this and admitted Suarez ISN'T A RACIST (which doesn't mean he didn't say RACIST things). Shaking hands was an easy way to bring closure to this situation, or at the very least distract from it. Suarez wasn't a big enough man to do so

This thread is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not sure what media conspiracy MGB and Caribbean think we are falling prey to, but it doesn't exist. Why would Dalglish say that Suarez was going to do it, and then pretend he didn't see it? The only reason this is still news is because Liverpool is making it!

Papa, BH, Fappin and myself are all fans of teams outside this rivalry. This isn't just a ManU/Liverpool rivalry thing. I've been pretty clear in my history on this board of bashing both these teams equally because of their spoiled fanbases. But Ferguson and Evra have handled this with more class than a lot of other things in their history. Frankly, Ferguson was right: if Suarez was so innocent, why not appeal?

My main issue is with all the blame being put on Suarez and none on Evra acting like a cunt through out the game and after it. The problem I have with the media is them focusing on Suarez and not what Evra did. Evra knew what he was doing when he tried to talk to him at half, he wasn't trying to talk it out he was trying to get Suarez fired up and to make him do something stupid. Then at the end of the game he celebrated like he won the fucking Champions League right around Suarez. I also do not buy the argument that Suarez caused all of Evra's actions by not shaking his hand. Evra could've just left it at that but he took it another level.

Suarez didn't want to shake his hand, big fucking deal. He feels Evra lied about what he said, if I felt that way, I'd do exactly what Suarez did. This has nothing to do with being the bigger man. In Suarez's mind, Evra has damaged his reputation by lying about what he did. That doesn't warrant a handshake as shaking someone's hand signifies respect. Which is why Ferdinand chose not to shake Suarez's hand which is perfectly fine too because he doesn't respect Suarez.

[citizenerased]

Also, this photo shows otherwise about Suarez not extending his hand:




You can't see Suarez's hand in the gif until after he passes Evra.

Seriously?

God, no, just no.

Get that spastic RAWK bullshit out of here.

Also, Suarez didn't even make a show out of it by skipping Evra. He just wasn't going to shake his hand and thats that. Evra felt the need to grab his arm, approach him in the tunnel at half time of a game, and then dance around him at the end. Evra was much more childish then Suarez was.

The difference here is that Ferguson called Evra out for this tomfoolery while Klu Klux Kenny is defending Suarez's actions.

[citizenerased]

Kenny may be a senile old drunk, but at least there's someone in the club with an ounce of sense.

Ian Ayre: Luis was wrong

12th Feb 2012 - Latest News

Liverpool Managing Director Ian Ayre has today released the following statement.

"We are extremely disappointed Luis Suarez did not shake hands with Patrice Evra before yesterday's game. The player had told us beforehand that he would, but then chose not to do so.

"He was wrong to mislead us and wrong not to offer his hand to Patrice Evra. He has not only let himself down, but also Kenny Dalglish, his teammates and the Club. It has been made absolutely clear to Luis Suarez that his behaviour was not acceptable.

"Luis Suarez has now apologised for his actions which was the right thing to do. However, all of us have a duty to behave in a responsible manner and we hope that he now understands what is expected of anyone representing Liverpool Football Club."

Liverpool striker Luis Suarez has today issued the following apology:

"I have spoken with the Manager since the game at Old Trafford and I realise I got things wrong.

"I've not only let him down, but also the Club and what it stands for and I'm sorry. I made a mistake and I regret what happened.

"I should have shaken Patrice Evra's hand before the game and I want to apologise for my actions.

"I would like to put this whole issue behind me and concentrate on playing football."