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  • ThomasTomasz
    • Nov 2024

    Changes could come to Chicago this off-season

     
    The similarities between the Pittsburgh Penguins and Chicago Blackhawks are growing. Both teams won a Stanley Cup with a young core of stars that set things up for a bright future. Both teams have a captain and leader, in Sidney Crosby and Jonathan Toews, who had to overcome concussion issues to get ready for the playoffs this season. Both teams looked like they were coming together just at the right time to return to the high internal and external expectations that surround them.

    And now, both teams are done. Out in the first round for the second consecutive year. When the Penguins were eliminated, the talk was of wasted opportunity.

    "We had a lot of confidence in this group," Penguins forward Jordan Staal told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "To come up short is disappointing."

    The Blackhawks felt the same way. Even as Mike Smith turned away every shot in the Coyotes' 4-0 clincher Monday night in Chicago, the Blackhawks believed that if they kept coming, kept digging, they'd find a way to break through.

    "Even when we went down 2-0, 3-0, there was never a doubt in our mind we were going to find a way to come back," Toews said after the game. "It's frustrating when you play that well and you put that much pressure on a team and they don't break, you don't find a hole. I don't know what else we were supposed to do."

    The Blackhawks are at a loss right now, and it's turning out to be a tough postseason for offensive-minded puck-possession teams in the West. The Blackhawks, Detroit Red Wings, San Jose Sharks and Vancouver Canucks are gone. The favorites are out. In their place are the teams built around defense and goaltending like the Nashville Predators, Los Angeles Kings, Phoenix Coyotes and St. Louis Blues.

    There's been a culture change in the West.


    "You look at the other series, it's kind of comparable," Blackhawks coach Joel Quenneville said during his postgame news conference. "The scoring is low. Patience."

    And now we find out whether Chicago has the same kind of patience. In Pittsburgh, the debate already has kicked in. Should coach Dan Bylsma be held accountable for three straight underachieving postseasons? Is it time to move Staal? What should the Penguins do with their high-priced, underperforming defensemen?

    Post-Gazette columnist Dave Molinari put it best in his assessment of GM Ray Shero when he said that patience is crucial, but too much of it can be devastating.

    Chicago GM Stan Bowman can look at the patience shown in Pittsburgh and see that it doesn't automatically result in a return to the high level the group once enjoyed. He doesn't even have to look that far.

    Division rival Detroit is another team that has patiently kept its team essentially intact since winning a Stanley Cup, and the success is eroding. The Red Wings returned to the Stanley Cup finals after winning it in 2008, then advanced to the second round in consecutive seasons. This year, it was a first-round exit.

    "To me, that doesn't look like you're going in the right direction," coach Mike Babcock said on the night his team was eliminated.

    So perhaps patience isn't the answer in Chicago. And knowing that organization's recent history, it's unlikely that will be the course of action. When his team isn't winning, there are few more impatient than Blackhawks team president John McDonough. Since jettisoning former GM Dale Tallon and former coach Denis Savard, McDonough has largely left the team alone since it won a Stanley Cup in 2010. But more than anyone else, he knows the competitive landscape of Chicago sports. Under McDonough, the Blackhawks emerged as the darling of the Chicago sports scene, but that will quickly disappear if this group continues to underachieve.

    Chances are, he won't stand pat while that is happening.

    The Blackhawks have big money committed to their group of stars. Patrick Kane, Toews, Marian Hossa, Patrick Sharp, Brent Seabrook and Duncan Keith are all signed long-term. But unlike many teams locked into contracts, very few of these players have the right to refuse a deal. According to CapGeek.com, Seabrook's limited no-trade clause doesn't kick in until next season. Kane's and Toews' limited no-move clauses don't kick in until 2014-15. Hossa and Sharp don't have any protection against a trade. Only Keith has an ironclad no-movement clause.

    So there are options if Bowman wants to break up the core. If Bylsma's job security can be questioned, so can Quenneville's. Despite the stability provided by Scotty and Stan Bowman, at some point losing hockey minds and evaluators like Tallon, Rick Dudley and Kevin Cheveldayoff comes with a price. It might be time to bolster that front office rather than subtract.

    The easiest course of action is to stand pat in Chicago and let the same group try to find a way to break through next season. But a peek into the future in Pittsburgh and Detroit shows that positive returns to that plan are no guarantee.
  • Fappin Raptor
    I literally know nothing.
    • Jul 2009
    • 6737

    #2
    Meh, it's only happened this year that the 'lower' teams of the West have moved on. If this would have been reoccurring over the last say 3-4 seasons then yes, change how you're doing it. I read something similar about how Detroit needs to change. We were the best team in the West until injuries really killed everything and our momentum.

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    • wr50l
      Glen & CJ are secret Huns
      • Oct 2008
      • 4114

      #3
      Yeah sure, both teams should sack very good Cup winning coaches to shake things up a bit. Or you know ... make the tweaks necessary. Both teams lost key secondary players since their Cup win: Niemi, Byfuglien, Ladd, Gill, Scuderi, Talbot amongst others. Just because the top stars remain it doesn't mean they didn't lose anyone who needs replaced.

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      • The Buddha
        Junior Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 2401

        #4
        I am bit confused by the part that says largely left the team alone since winning the cup in 2010....whaaaat? Here is who that team lost:

        Cam Barker
        Nick Boynton
        Troy Brouwer
        Adam Burish
        Dustin Byfuglien
        Brian Campbell
        Ben Eager
        Andrew Ebbett
        Colin Fraser
        Tomas Kopecky
        Andrew Ladd
        John Madden
        Antti Niemi
        Jack Skille
        Kris Versteeg

        That Blackhawks team was stacked and had a legit 4 lines. The Hawks won when they were supposed too, everyone knew that the team was going to have to rebuild while dealing with the shitty cap situation they were in. Locking up Kane/Toews/Seabrook/and Keith was the biggest question mark and they managed to do it.

        The team the Hawks have now is good, they just need to add a piece or two to make it all work. Right now they are more finesse then gritty, where as the 2010 team was about even. They need to add more grit to contend.


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        • Ravin
          Dishing the Gino's
          • Feb 2009
          • 6994

          #5
          This is interesting because the other night CBC played game seven of the Detroit vs Pittsburgh 2009 Cup Final, and it is amazing how many players on Pittsburgh are no longer there, and at one point, it was everyone on the ice except for the goalie. Repeating is hard in this cap system because you have to deal with it. That is why guys like Talbot were dropped, because the Pens couldn't afford the cap hit on him. Hawks went through the same thing, and I bet you'll see the Bruins go through it as well. Young teams win, but keeping them is another question because they want the dollars for winning.

          Neither Pittsburgh or Chicago needs to fire their coach. It isn't a coaching issue.
          All you need to know when thinking of the NHL vs Madden series is the two people involved in making the games.

          "rammer" and "cummings"

          The NHL series is a giver, Madden takes the load.

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          • leaffan
            Colton Orr Fan
            • Feb 2009
            • 11082

            #6
            The only issue with the hawks is how brutal their top end players contracts are and how they have little no room to grow underneath.

            Also this year is really nothing different from the past: Nashville Predators, Los Angeles Kings, Phoenix Coyotes and St. Louis Blues.

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            Rinne, Quick, Smith, Halak+Elliot

            If Anything Smith is starting to come into his own after a brutal situation in Tampa and Halak has been there and done it before. Elliot is really the only new comer in all of this but I think people know where the solid teams start from.

            Leafs offseason training!

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            • ThomasTomasz
              • Nov 2024

              #7
              Originally posted by leaffan
              The only issue with the hawks is how brutal their top end players contracts are and how they have little no room to grow underneath.

              Also this year is really nothing different from the past: Nashville Predators, Los Angeles Kings, Phoenix Coyotes and St. Louis Blues.

              =

              Rinne, Quick, Smith, Halak+Elliot

              If Anything Smith is starting to come into his own after a brutal situation in Tampa and Halak has been there and done it before. Elliot is really the only new comer in all of this but I think people know where the solid teams start from.
              That is why I am happy that the Caps can get away from both Semin and Green this season. Obviously, things have not worked to win a Cup with these guys, and the ability to get out of the $12 million-plus cap space from the two of them combined is something few teams have the options to have. Chicago definitely got lucky by moving Campbell and his salary, but they will continue to struggle to put depth together until the new round of talent comes up through the minors, or they decide to move one of their core players.

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              • leaffan
                Colton Orr Fan
                • Feb 2009
                • 11082

                #8
                Originally posted by ThomasTomasz
                That is why I am happy that the Caps can get away from both Semin and Green this season. Obviously, things have not worked to win a Cup with these guys, and the ability to get out of the $12 million-plus cap space from the two of them combined is something few teams have the options to have. Chicago definitely got lucky by moving Campbell and his salary, but they will continue to struggle to put depth together until the new round of talent comes up through the minors, or they decide to move one of their core players.
                The reason chicago won the cup in the first place was because they had so much depth and they hit the perfect time to win it but when you have 6 players taking up 35mil your leaving little room for the other 17 roster spots that need to be filled and thats including a goalie.

                Leafs offseason training!

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                • 1ke
                  D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 6641

                  #9
                  3 players for me. 3 is what they need.

                  1. A top GK. Dont know how, or if its even possible to get. But they need one.
                  2. 2nd line Center. A BIG ONE. For 70% of the season, Kane was playing Center. They need someone with size and skill.
                  3. 1 Defensive guy. Seabrook, Kieth, Leddy(some nights) and the Hammer are the only ones who can be counted on.

                  Also, this team has some nice young players coming up and should get a shot. Hayes, Olsen, and Shaw got a good amount of time this year, hopefully they can progress and help even more in the future.

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                  • wr50l
                    Glen & CJ are secret Huns
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 4114

                    #10

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                    • leaffan
                      Colton Orr Fan
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 11082

                      #11
                      Cherrys suite there is just magical there.

                      Leafs offseason training!

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                      • killgod
                        OHHHH WHEN THE REDSSSSS
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 4714

                        #12
                        yeah that's a pretty suite suit.

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