NHL Will Lock Out Players on September 15 if No Deal

[Apocalypse]

[EmpireWF]

Any updates?

[Prodigal Son]

It's been awhile since a league collapsed.

[Guest]

A whole lot of contracts were signed yesterday, my guess in hopes of having them reduced when the lockout is over. God damn are these owners greedy.

[Guest]

A lengthy hearing before the Alberta Labour Relations Board about the legality of the NHL lockout ended without a decision Friday night, a spokesperson for the ALRB told ESPNNewYork.com. No decision is expected until early next week.

Both the NHL and the NHL Players' Association presented their cases in front of a three-person panel in Edmonton on Friday. The union filed an application on behalf of 21 players from the Edmonton Oilers and Calgary Flames, asserting the league-imposed lockout that began last weekend is illegal under Alberta Labour code.

The NHL is arguing to have the filing dismissed.

A similar battle was waged last week before the Quebec Labour Relations Board, when a judge turned down the union's request for immediate injunctive relief against a lockout. The hearing was subsequently deferred until Oct. 15, a QLRB spokesperson told ESPNNewYork.com on Friday morning.

The provincial labor battles are just the latest in a series of standoffs between the NHL and NHLPA, who remain as far apart now as they were when the lockout began last Sunday. The union and league have remained in touch -- NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly and NHLPA special counsel Steve Fehr are in contact almost daily -- but formal discussions have been stalled since the two exchanged proposals Sept. 12.

About a half-dozen players attended Friday's hearing, including Oilers forward Sam Gagner, goaltender Devan Dubnyk and veteran Ryan Smyth.

Since the lockout began, some players have signed with European teams. NHL training camps were to have opened Friday. The league already has canceled preseason games through Sept. 30.

NHLPA lawyer Bob Blair told the panel that Edmonton and Calgary are Alberta businesses, so provincial labor laws must be followed.

"No one gets to choose what labor laws apply to them in this province," Blair said. "The law is the law is the law."

He said players from the Oilers and Flames never agreed to forgo their rights under the Alberta Labour Code.

"It applies to every employer and employee," he said. "That is the starting point."

NHL lawyer Peter Gall pointed out that 23 of the 30 teams are in the United States and work under the same rules because labor laws there are federally regulated.

"So all of the players on all of the teams have been included in one bargaining unit," Gall said. "The NHLPA has never bargained with individual teams. It has only bargained with the NHL."

Daly told the panel there never has been individual bargaining between players and their teams. He said it's important all teams operate under the same rules.

Blair countered by saying the way the league and union operated in the past is irrelevant.

It's unclear what might follow if the board were to rule in favor of the NHLPA's request, but Daly said he couldn't imagine the fallout if that were to happen.

"It would be extremely destabilizing to how we do business and how we conduct this sports league," he said. "I don't know how we would proceed in the face of separate units in Alberta."

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/84...arly-next-week

[wingsfan77]

This is going to be a long, ugly battle. It sucks but it really doesn't seem like we're going to see any NHL action anytime soon.

[Guest]

It will be a lost year. Owners will feel it after a year, because the players always have the option to go play overseas in other leagues. Granted, it's less money, but it's still money. Owners on the other hand are going to feel the pinch of no money.

[Ravin]

It will be a short season at best, but I suspect another year long stint. They should have been working on this shit all year, not starting after the free agency period. Alot of people said they should have started before, that nothing was as important as getting a deal.

[Cornelius]

In hopes of hockey starting soon, I'm posting one of my greatest memories of the Detroit Red Wings. It's not a championship memory, it's a cheap shot by my favorite Red Wing of all time, Dino Ciccarelli...

[Ravin]

Interesting article on TSN. With the lockout happening, a bunch of players would be able to go to the World Juniors. From the Canadian side of things, Nugent-Hopkins would be able to, Scheifele, Huberdeau, Strome, Ryan Murphy, Dougie Hamilton, etc. It would be like 2005 all over again when the Canadian team was basically a dream team with Sidney Crosby, Patrice Bergeron, Corey Perry, Ryan Getzlaf, Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, Dion Phaneuf and Shea Weber.

[dave]

Interesting article on TSN. With the lockout happening, a bunch of players would be able to go to the World Juniors. From the Canadian side of things, Nugent-Hopkins would be able to, Scheifele, Huberdeau, Strome, Ryan Murphy, Dougie Hamilton, etc. It would be like 2005 all over again when the Canadian team was basically a dream team with Sidney Crosby, Patrice Bergeron, Corey Perry, Ryan Getzlaf, Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, Dion Phaneuf and Shea Weber.

And only Canadians and TSN will care. :D