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  • Senser81
    VSN Poster of the Year
    • Feb 2009
    • 12804

    #31
    Originally posted by FirstTimer
    I don't know. Tough for him to call a penalty there. Hossa didn't lightly jab Torres.
    I was thinking it was more like an "off-setting penalties" situation...Hossa hit Torres when he didn't have the puck.

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    • wr50l
      Glen & CJ are secret Huns
      • Oct 2008
      • 4114

      #32
      This is pretty standard NHL playoff officiating to be honest. What Quincey does is severe enough to be given a roughing penalty but it's not over the top by faux game 7 standards so the ref lets it go. But when Saad punches back the ref has justification to give Quincey that roughing minor because he can take both players. Penalize both teams, penalize nobody. If the refs would just call the regular season and the playoffs the same we wouldn't have these problems. Basically most game 7s are for the most part played almost without the existence of a roughing penalty and then at some point out of nowhere someone gets called for something everyone has been doing all game.

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      • Senser81
        VSN Poster of the Year
        • Feb 2009
        • 12804

        #33
        Originally posted by wr50l
        This is pretty standard NHL playoff officiating to be honest. What Quincey does is severe enough to be given a roughing penalty but it's not over the top by faux game 7 standards so the ref lets it go. But when Saad punches back the ref has justification to give Quincey that roughing minor because he can take both players. Penalize both teams, penalize nobody. If the refs would just call the regular season and the playoffs the same we wouldn't have these problems. Basically most game 7s are for the most part played almost without the existence of a roughing penalty and then at some point out of nowhere someone gets called for something everyone has been doing all game.
        I like being talked down to as if I had never seen a playoff hockey game before. Thanks.

        The issue isn't the officiating difference between the regular season the playoffs...its the officiating difference between the first 400:13 minutes of the Detroit-Chicago series and the call made at the 1:47 mark in the third period of Game 7. It actually goes against your point, because the closing moments of Game 7 was called tighter than the first 400:13 minutes. Oh well.

        Again, did anyone in the NHL forum watch any of this series?

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        • wr50l
          Glen & CJ are secret Huns
          • Oct 2008
          • 4114

          #34
          It's amusing that you're such an arrogant dick that you pick a fight with someone agreeing with you. The NHL forum really is the worst sports section, because the only time it is active is when it is invaded by self-indulgent knobheads like you. Fuck off mate.

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          • Senser81
            VSN Poster of the Year
            • Feb 2009
            • 12804

            #35
            Originally posted by wr50l
            It's amusing that you're such an arrogant dick that you pick a fight with someone agreeing with you. The NHL forum really is the worst sports section, because the only time it is active is when it is invaded by self-indulgent knobheads like you. Fuck off mate.
            LOL at this. I'm the arrogant one? Did you read your own post?

            "Yeah, this is pretty standard stuff...let me offer my own self-contradicting opinion and hopefully that will shut you up."

            Even the NBC analysts were saying what a terrible call it was. Instead of talking about the historical significance of the bad call, I'm stuck talking semantics with killgod and you saying how it was a correct call.

            Does anyone here have a brain? Honestly.

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            • wr50l
              Glen & CJ are secret Huns
              • Oct 2008
              • 4114

              #36
              Wrong.

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              • Senser81
                VSN Poster of the Year
                • Feb 2009
                • 12804

                #37
                Originally posted by wr50l
                Wrong.
                Right!

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                • PP
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 4994

                  #38
                  Originally posted by wr50l
                  It's amusing that you're such an arrogant dick that you pick a fight with someone agreeing with you. The NHL forum really is the worst sports section, because the only time it is active is when it is invaded by self-indulgent knobheads like you. Fuck off mate.
                  u mad rangers lost?

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                  • leaffan
                    Colton Orr Fan
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 11082

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Senser81
                    I like being talked down to as if I had never seen a playoff hockey game before. Thanks.

                    The issue isn't the officiating difference between the regular season the playoffs...its the officiating difference between the first 400:13 minutes of the Detroit-Chicago series and the call made at the 1:47 mark in the third period of Game 7. It actually goes against your point, because the closing moments of Game 7 was called tighter than the first 400:13 minutes. Oh well.

                    Again, did anyone in the NHL forum watch any of this series?
                    Yes the whole series.

                    NHL reffing has taken a significant dive over the last few years thanks to a lot of older guys retiring. VanMassenhoven being the most recent one who was left out of the playoffs this year for some odd reason. Some think he's retiring. I've bitched about the quality of these guys for at least 3 years now and its mainly because everything is starting to get back to 02-03 days. Obstruction is not being called at all anymore (every playoff series has turned into this now) and roughing is apparantly allowed now. Detroit really went at this though and it was actually pretty bizarre how some things weren't called but then again the entire Toronto/Boston series was filled with madness not being called left and right so I wasn't surprised.

                    Chicago complained though after game 3 is what I read. Some of the things Zetterberg and Abdelkader were doing especially to Toews in those first few games was hilarious from the stand point that nothing was being called and I'm sure the head of the refs in that series told the guys that shit needs to start getting called.

                    Some extremly glaring stats are things like this.

                    Detroit played 14 games this playoffs and has the most PP time with just over 84 mins in Powerplay time (as one would expect they've played the most games). 2005-06 teams like Colorado and New Jersey (played 9 games) had 92mins on the PP. Anaheim played in 2 more games back then but had 170mins in Power play time. Whats even more of a joke is if you go back to 02-03 and teams like dallas who played 9 games had 96mins on the PP. St. Louis played in 7 games and had 70mins. That was the supposed "dead puck" era where holding and hooking was constant and even back then they had more PP time.

                    Leafs offseason training!

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                    • Senser81
                      VSN Poster of the Year
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 12804

                      #40
                      Originally posted by leaffan
                      Yes the whole series.

                      NHL reffing has taken a significant dive over the last few years thanks to a lot of older guys retiring. VanMassenhoven being the most recent one who was left out of the playoffs this year for some odd reason. Some think he's retiring. I've bitched about the quality of these guys for at least 3 years now and its mainly because everything is starting to get back to 02-03 days. Obstruction is not being called at all anymore (every playoff series has turned into this now) and roughing is apparantly allowed now. Detroit really went at this though and it was actually pretty bizarre how some things weren't called but then again the entire Toronto/Boston series was filled with madness not being called left and right so I wasn't surprised.
                      The obstruction no-calls were maddening because IMO it had a huge impact on the gameplay of the series. It was kind of like watching the Patriots mug the Colts WRs all game...for seven games in a row. I think Detroit's gameplan was to obstruct the Blackhawks and try to annoy Toews. It seemed as the series went on, the Red Wings saw that the refs weren't going to call anything, so that made them even more brazen in their obstruction and treatment of Toews. I thought it was funny how the Red Wings would slash and hack at Toews at the end of shifts right in front of the ref...no call. So why would Detroit stop doing it?

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                      • Garrett67
                        Glory Hole Monitor
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 4538

                        #41
                        Originally posted by The Buddha
                        I was quite livid when I saw it live, but listening to Sharp talk after the game he said the whistle came before the shot. My only issue with it is why even blow the whistle? It had nothing to do with the play, and should have just been let go. I didnt have a problem with the hit or with Saad's reaction.

                        That is explained at 2:25-2:50 in the video. I'm not saying its right or wrong but as described, that is the thinking behind it.


                        ...and one the the worst calls in professional sports history that trumps this is the Armando Galarraga call in his 'perfect' game.



                        But, I'll be fair and explain myself. I only like playoff hockey, don't really care for it otherwise and I didn't watch any of the series.

                        I'm a baseball fan, so you can see why I chose that example.


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