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  • Warner2BruceTD
    2011 Poster Of The Year
    • Mar 2009
    • 26142

    Originally posted by LiquidLarry2GhostWF
    The way they have their roster set up, with a group of core factions, a lot of the issues with English could be negated with "English Spokesmen" aka managers of some kind. There are ways around some of these guys speaking no English at all.
    Yeah, this was the original plan for DGUSA, to have one english speaker in each unit, until the entire original concept got blown up when Dragon Gate got bored and decided to send CIMA, Tozawa, and one token guy to Gabe per show.

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    • LiquidLarry2GhostWF
      Highwayman
      • Feb 2009
      • 15429

      Originally posted by FedEx227
      That's my hurdle "people giving it a chance".

      I can't tell you the amount of friends I've said: "HERE...HERE is the link to one of the best matches you'll ever see" that can't be bothered to watch it. At least with most of my age group, turning on WWE is just habit and they aren't really into seeking out new wrestling, they just know on Monday around 8pm there will be some wrestling on.

      It's an uphill battle that nobody wants to fight, because you'll likely take your hits like WCW did with the introduction of Nitro. If they stick it out and keep building I think it could be successful but I think it would take years before the masses would give the show a chance and realistically before they would support it.
      The good thing is, is New Japan is making money hand over fist right now, and continuing to grow. Broadcasting to an American Audience would be playing with house money.

      I wouldn't even start trying usurp TNA with Spike...why not try for a show on Fox Sports 1 or some shit.

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      • Warner2BruceTD
        2011 Poster Of The Year
        • Mar 2009
        • 26142

        If wrestling gets hot again, networks will come looking.

        Until then, nobody is going to put wrestling on TV, especially a product from a different culture.

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        • FedEx227
          Delivers
          • Mar 2009
          • 10454

          Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD



          This made me hyped to see this match. It needs to happen.
          What a cocktease.

          VoicesofWrestling.com

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          • Warner2BruceTD
            2011 Poster Of The Year
            • Mar 2009
            • 26142

            Nakamura has done such a great job elevating that title.

            North America should take notes on how to handle secondary titles. That thing was a toss away when MVP & Tanaka held it, just like the NEVER title, and now look at it.

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            • FedEx227
              Delivers
              • Mar 2009
              • 10454

              So, you're saying it may not be a good idea for the IC Title to be on the preshow and defended once in a blue moon on actual TV?

              Or maybe that your secondary champions should win matches and not fodder for the stars?

              Weird booking philosophy.
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              • Warner2BruceTD
                2011 Poster Of The Year
                • Mar 2009
                • 26142

                Originally posted by FedEx227
                So, you're saying it may not be a good idea for the IC Title to be on the preshow and defended once in a blue moon on actual TV?

                Or maybe that your secondary champions should win matches and not fodder for the stars?

                Weird booking philosophy.
                Ambrose is the U.S. champ.

                Without looking it up, I honestly have no idea who the IC champ is atm.

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                • FedEx227
                  Delivers
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 10454

                  Curtis Axel.

                  Will likely be Big E. Langston after Sunday.
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                  • LiquidLarry2GhostWF
                    Highwayman
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 15429

                    Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
                    Nakamura has done such a great job elevating that title.

                    North America should take notes on how to handle secondary titles. That thing was a toss away when MVP & Tanaka held it, just like the NEVER title, and now look at it.
                    The World Heavyweight Title IS the secondary title in the WWE. Now whether or not you think it is a throwaway title is another story.

                    The IC and US Title are the equivalent of the NEVER Title or a TV Title or some sort. The days when the IC Title was the B-Circuit belt is long over...now its the WHC.

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                    • Warner2BruceTD
                      2011 Poster Of The Year
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 26142

                      Originally posted by LiquidLarry2GhostWF
                      The World Heavyweight Title IS the secondary title in the WWE. Now whether or not you think it is a throwaway title is another story.

                      The IC and US Title are the equivalent of the NEVER Title or a TV Title or some sort. The days when the IC Title was the B-Circuit belt is long over...now its the WHC.
                      Right. But it doesn't have to be that way, is my point.

                      And imo, yes, the WHC is a throwaway. It doesn't draw or elevate. Beating that champion never means anything. It curtain jerks WrestleMania.

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                      • LiquidLarry2GhostWF
                        Highwayman
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 15429

                        Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
                        Right. But it doesn't have to be that way, is my point.

                        And imo, yes, the WHC is a throwaway. It doesn't draw or elevate. Beating that champion never means anything. It curtain jerks WrestleMania.
                        The WHC, like the IC title is given to either the token latino "star" (Tito Santana, Rey Mysterio, Del Rio) or a guy they want to elevate (Savage, Steamboat, Warrior, Perfect, Bret, Shawn, Triple H, The Rock, Batista, Edge, Cena, Punk, Danielson)...occasionally, you'll get your Honkey Tonk Man or Greg Valentine in there when they don't know what to do with it (Kane, for example).

                        The intent is still there...execution on the other hand...well, not so much...they play around with too many guys in that WHC spot for it to mean as much as it did when there were far less shows when the IC title was legit.

                        I'm not sure if there are many examples where you have a ton of titles meaning something in a single company...I am sure we can perfect book these titles to mean something, but you know that'll never happen, especially when they have so many. I'd say that the NXT Title is more important than the IC or US Title.

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                        • Warner2BruceTD
                          2011 Poster Of The Year
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 26142

                          Latest New Japan fighter roster, I post this every few months, with approximate ranks adjusted a bit by me

                          NEW JAPAN PRO-WRESTLING
                          - Hiroshi Tanahashi
                          - Tetsuya Naito (NEVER Openweight Champion)
                          - Hirooki Goto
                          - Togi Makabe
                          - Yuji Nagata
                          - Hiroyoshi Tenzan (IWGP Tag Team Champion)
                          - Satoshi Kojima (IWGP Tag Team Champion)
                          - Manabu Nakanishi
                          - Wataru Inoue
                          - Captain New Japan
                          - Super Strong Machine
                          - Takaaki Watanabe
                          - Sho Tanaka
                          - Yohei Komatsu

                          NEW JAPAN PRO-WRESTLING JR. HEAVYWEIGHTS
                          - Kota Ibushi
                          - Ryusuke Taguchi
                          - Tiger Mask (GHC Jr. Heavyweight Tag Team Champion)
                          - Jushin Thunder Liger (GHC Jr. Heavyweight Tag Team Champion)
                          - KUSHIDA
                          - Alex Shelley
                          - BUSHI
                          - Hiromu Takahashi
                          - Kyosuke Mikami

                          CHAOS
                          - Kazuchika Okada (IWGP Heavyweight Champion)
                          - Shinsuke Nakamura (IWGP Intercontinental Champion)
                          - Toru Yano
                          - Masato Tanaka (ZERO1)
                          - Yujiro Takahashi
                          - Tomohiro Ishii
                          - Takashi Iizuka
                          - YOSHI-HASHI
                          - Rocky Romero
                          - Alex Koslov
                          - Gedo
                          - Jado

                          BULLET CLUB
                          - Prince Devitt (IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Champion)
                          - “The Machine Gun” Karl Anderson
                          - King Fale
                          - Tama Tonga
                          - Nick Jackson
                          - Matt Jackson

                          SUZUKI GUN
                          - Minoru Suzuki (Pancrase)
                          - Lance Archer (NWA World Tag Team Champion)
                          - Davey Boy Smith Jr. (NWA World Tag Team Champion)
                          - Shelton "X" Benjamin
                          - TAKA Michinoku (K-DOJO) (IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Champion)
                          - Taichi (IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Champion)

                          LAUGHTER7
                          - Kazushi Sakuraba
                          - Katsuyori Shibata

                          NEW JAPAN FACTORY (MMA)
                          - Katsuhiko Nagata
                          -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                          I don't care what anybody says, obviously CHAOS are babyfaces, at worst tweeners. Okada, Nakamura, Ishii are definitely faces. Yano, Iizuka, Yujiro, Tanaka and the rest are probably heels, but even Yano gets face reactions. But Forever Hooligans were the face team when they faced TAKA & Taichi.

                          SUZUKI GUN are clearly heels, although Suzuki was a clear face vs Yano.

                          To me, Bullet Club has replaced CHAOS as the second heel group.

                          I included Young Bucks, since they are headlining all tour long and appear to be more than a one shot deal. I expect them to win the Junior Tag League that starts Friday morning.

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                          • Warner2BruceTD
                            2011 Poster Of The Year
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 26142

                            NJPW, 10/25/13 (Samurai! TV/USTREAM iPPV)
                            Tokyo Korakuen Hall

                            1. Super Jr. Tag Tournament 2013 – Round 1: KUSHIDA & Yohei Komatsu vs. Valiente (CMLL) & BUSHI
                            2. Super Jr. Tag Tournament 2013 – Round 1: Brian Kendrick & Baretta vs. Matt Jackson & Nick Jackson
                            3. Super Jr. Tag Tournament 2013 – Round 1: Jushin Thunder Liger & Tiger Mask vs. Jado & Gedo
                            4. Super Jr. Tag Tournament 2013 – Round 1: Rocky Romero & Alex Koslov vs. TAKA Michinoku (Kaientai Dojo) & Taichi
                            5. Sho Tanaka vs. Minoru Suzuki
                            6. Hiroyoshi Tenzan & Captain New Japan vs. Manabu Nakanishi & Tomoaki Honma
                            7. Hiroshi Tanahashi, Togi Makabe & Yuji Nagata vs. Toru Yano, Takashi Iizuka & Tomohiro Ishii
                            8. Tetsuya Naito & Kota Ibushi vs. Masato Tanaka (ZERO1) & Yujiro Takahashi
                            9. Kazuchika Okada, Shinsuke Nakamura & YOSHI-HASHI vs. Karl Anderson, Prince Devitt & Bad Luck Fale

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                            • Warner2BruceTD
                              2011 Poster Of The Year
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 26142

                              Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
                              NJPW, 10/25/13 (Samurai! TV/USTREAM iPPV)
                              Tokyo Korakuen Hall

                              1. Super Jr. Tag Tournament 2013 – Round 1: KUSHIDA & Yohei Komatsu vs. Valiente (CMLL) & BUSHI
                              2. Super Jr. Tag Tournament 2013 – Round 1: Brian Kendrick & Baretta vs. Matt Jackson & Nick Jackson
                              3. Super Jr. Tag Tournament 2013 – Round 1: Jushin Thunder Liger & Tiger Mask vs. Jado & Gedo
                              4. Super Jr. Tag Tournament 2013 – Round 1: Rocky Romero & Alex Koslov vs. TAKA Michinoku (Kaientai Dojo) & Taichi
                              5. Sho Tanaka vs. Minoru Suzuki
                              6. Hiroyoshi Tenzan & Captain New Japan vs. Manabu Nakanishi & Tomoaki Honma
                              7. Hiroshi Tanahashi, Togi Makabe & Yuji Nagata vs. Toru Yano, Takashi Iizuka & Tomohiro Ishii
                              8. Tetsuya Naito & Kota Ibushi vs. Masato Tanaka (ZERO1) & Yujiro Takahashi
                              9. Kazuchika Okada, Shinsuke Nakamura & YOSHI-HASHI vs. Karl Anderson, Prince Devitt & Bad Luck Fale
                              TONIGHT - $15

                              First of FOUR New Japan iPPV's over the next month. Here, TAKE ALL MY MONEY.

                              11/6 Korakuen is Junior Tag League semis & finals - #$15
                              11/9 Power Struggle from Osaka - $25
                              11/23 World Tag League (Korakuen) - $15

                              Love the tired pricing structure, they don't try to gouge you for Korakuen shows, only the major traditional PPV's.

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                              • Warner2BruceTD
                                2011 Poster Of The Year
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 26142

                                Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
                                NJPW, 10/25/13 (Samurai! TV/USTREAM iPPV)
                                Tokyo Korakuen Hall

                                1. Super Jr. Tag Tournament 2013 – Round 1: KUSHIDA & Yohei Komatsu vs. Valiente (CMLL) & BUSHI
                                2. Super Jr. Tag Tournament 2013 – Round 1: Brian Kendrick & Baretta vs. Matt Jackson & Nick Jackson
                                3. Super Jr. Tag Tournament 2013 – Round 1: Jushin Thunder Liger & Tiger Mask vs. Jado & Gedo
                                4. Super Jr. Tag Tournament 2013 – Round 1: Rocky Romero & Alex Koslov vs. TAKA Michinoku (Kaientai Dojo) & Taichi
                                5. Sho Tanaka vs. Minoru Suzuki
                                6. Hiroyoshi Tenzan & Captain New Japan vs. Manabu Nakanishi & Tomoaki Honma
                                7. Hiroshi Tanahashi, Togi Makabe & Yuji Nagata vs. Toru Yano, Takashi Iizuka & Tomohiro Ishii
                                8. Tetsuya Naito & Kota Ibushi vs. Masato Tanaka (ZERO1) & Yujiro Takahashi
                                9. Kazuchika Okada, Shinsuke Nakamura & YOSHI-HASHI vs. Karl Anderson, Prince Devitt & Bad Luck Fale
                                Review here: http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/201...e-1025-review/

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