Top 10 GOAT Heavyweight Champs

[Liquidrob]

Frazier was also better than Iron Mike, Mike folded under the pressure and if he wasnt the bully he got bounced, his 'big wins' were not even that good

Shayne, in one sentence you say that Foreman is awesome because he came so close to beating Ali, but Frazier actaully beat Ali and could have 2 wins over Ali

Styles make fights, Foreman was just bigger, stronger able to beat Frazier down, but Frazier beat Ali something Foreman never did and George was pretty much done after Ali beat him until his comeback 20 years later

I'm not saying Fraizer is better than Foreman, but styles make fights

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Do you know ANYTHING about boxing? Seriously.

This is so funny to me LMAO. From the guy who thought Jack Dempsey only had two title defenses. LMAO.

Joe Louis was a bum fighter? Yet he held the title for 11 years with a record 25 title defenses against stronger oponents than Rocky who only had 7 title defenses before he ran away. Fucken dumbass!!! You should know by now you always get owned in these threads. In the past you failed, but this my friend is an EPIC FAILURE.

[FirstTimer]

If you could get past the first line and read the rest of white I am saying here you would see I don't agree with you fully.

So you're half behind me? Is this some sort of odd side handjob?

Let me say this loud and clear. At no point did I say anything close to "I agree Frazier belongs in the top 10."...never happend.

You didn't have to. I took care of that for you and then you "got behind" my comment. Thus agreeing with it.

Nice work.

Come on big boy. Get behind me again. ;)

Good for you taking one sentance out of context though...I'm glad you even got that far.

LOL at "taking it out of context" when you directly quoted a comment by me clearly saying Frazier belongs in the Top 10 then post that you are "getting behind" my comment.

STFU and go make another +,-,>,< list in the NFL Section.

You seriously have the worst historical perspective out of anyone I have ever seen that actually thinks the know history. It's astounding to see you miss the boat time after time. In a way though it's impressive you have carried this skill over from football to boxing.

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

So you're half behind me? Is this some sort of odd side handjob?



You didn't have to. I took care of that for you and then you "got behind" my comment. Thus agreeing with it.

Nice work.

Come on big boy. Get behind me again. ;)



LOL at "taking it out of context" when you directly quoted a comment by me clearly saying Frazier belongs in the Top 10 then post that you are "getting behind" my comment.

STFU and go make another +,-,>,< list in the NFL Section.

You seriously have the worst historical perspective out of anyone I have ever seen that actually thinks the know history. It's astounding to see you miss the boat time after time. In a way though it's impressive you have carried this skill over from football to boxing.

LMAO that +,-,>,< list was hella funny. It was meant to be a new sort of Mornington Crescent game you fucken idiot. I bet you don't even know what that is. It's ok, you can spend the next few hours figuring that one out only to find out what a complete waste of time it is....because you're a fucking dumbass! LMAO

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Frazier was also better than Iron Mike, Mike folded under the pressure and if he wasnt the bully he got bounced, his 'big wins' were not even that good

Shayne, in one sentence you say that Foreman is awesome because he came so close to beating Ali, but Frazier actaully beat Ali and could have 2 wins over Ali

Styles make fights, Foreman was just bigger, stronger able to beat Frazier down, but Frazier beat Ali something Foreman never did and George was pretty much done after Ali beat him until his comeback 20 years later

I'm not saying Fraizer is better than Foreman, but styles make fights

I like that old cliche, styles make fights. This is true.

First off let me say Foreman beat Frazier, twice. Once before Ali, and once two fights later, so I wouldn't completely agree that Foreman was done after Ali. It was a few years later before his 1st retirement.

I think I stated more than just him getting close to beating Ali as why I think he was so good. Foreman was great at all aspects of boxing, not just one. He had one of the most powerfull punches of all time, great strategizer, and he took those skills far beyond what his physical abillity could give him and had success with the best of two different eras.

So lets get to Frazier, who was one of the best brawlers ever. He could compete with Ali because he had great stamina, something Foreman didn't have when he met Ali. Frazier was 100% offensive and 0% Defense. So he got his lunch eaten by Foreman who had good D, and a very powerfull punch. Ali beat Frazier because Ali had stamina and great defensive strategy. But Frazier was in two of those fights still standing at the end of the final round because Ali didn't have Foremans punching power. But I completely agree with you that styles make fights.

Fact is Foremans' style beat Frazier style twice because Frazier didn't have defense. Period. Ali could defend himself log enough to tire out Foreman.

So that leaves uswith Tyson. Tyson had defense. Tyson also used the "Dempsey Roll" which is highly adaptable as counter stance, or an aggressive way to get through a defense. I think personally that Tyson in his prime had just the right skills to take on Frazier and Foreman. Definately Frazier with his dominating power (same reason Foreman beat Frazier). Foreman would be tougher with his great defense. But Tyson I think could cut through that defense enough to get some great combos. Tyson had faster hands than Foreman I'd say, so if Tyson could get up-close he could hurt Foreman some.

So again, my list is unchanged for those of you keeping score. Foreman>Tyson>Frazier.

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

You seriously have the worst historical perspective out of anyone I have ever seen that actually thinks the know history. It's astounding to see you miss the boat time after time. In a way though it's impressive you have carried this skill over from football to boxing.

It's funny how you try to knock my hystorical perspective and you haven't said anything more than Tyson>....STFU you ignorant bloody twat. :kickballs:

So far you've given 0 thought or debate as to why you think the way you do. So until you bring some "perspective" your thoughts are completely irrelivent. At the very least try and debate why you think Frazier belongs on the top 10...just try. I gotta hear this. I would love to see what you consider to be "perspective".:rolleyes1:

[Liquidrob]

Tyson has nowhere near the wins Joe had

Joe beat Ali, fought Ali to death every time and fought in great era of HWs

Foreman would have destroyed Tyson just like Lennox did, Tyson would have folded against Frazier after he hit him a couple times and Joe was still standing

Tyson best win was probably Spinks, but my memory fight be foggy, Spinks was pretty much a small HW and fought a bunch at the lighter weights, he was just over matched against Tyson and was never in that fight mentally

Tyson was a freak if nature, but he never showed much heart after not being a head in a fight

[Senser81]

Dempsey won the Light Heavyweight title twice, And successfully defended the World Heavyweight Title before winning the NBA title as well, and then again won another title match after that before losing to Tunney. Jack was still the most innovative boxer of his era and still effects heavyweight boxing today. More than 2 defenses...

Oh and BTW the fight known as "The Long Count Fight" when Dempsey knocked Tunney down but failed to go to his neutral corner (new rule at the time) Tunney was down for 14 seconds. The crowd errupted when Tunney knocked Dempsey out but failed to go to his own neutral corner. It's fucken retarded that Dempsey lost that fight. Dempsey was so good he and Tunney drew 104,000 people to watch that fight. No other boxer has ever drawn such a crowd.

Didn't have time to follow-up on your Dempsey comments.

Dempsey defended the World Heavyweight title 4 times...Miske & Brennan (neither of whom was a top contender), an aging light heavyweight in Georges Carpentier, and Luis Firpo. Dempsey probably should have lost the fight against Firpo for two blatant penalties...first hitting Firpo after Firpo had already been knocked down and was trying to get up, and second for being illegally aided when he was pushed back into the ring by the crowd after Firpo literally knocked Dempsey out of the ring.

Your Long Count Fight recap is ridiculous. As you mentioned but glossed over quickly, it was a rule that the ref didn't have to start his count until the boxer went to a neutral corner. Second, Tunney was already coherent after a couple seconds, and stayed down until the official count of 9 so he could catch his breath. Can you imagine if the ref verbally counted to Tunney, but then when he got to 9 he said "no wait, 14, you've been knocked out"?

So, Dempsey only had 4 title defenses, he should have lost to Firpo, and he had no basis for claiming victory over Tunney, and, as you failed to mention, he was dominated by Tunney in the rematch.

[Senser81]

I know a hell of a lot more than you obviously. You're a fucken chump. Of course I know Carnera's fights were fixed. But when he faught champions he won, and no way in hell Sharkey, Uzcodun, Loughren, or the Max Baer championshp fights were fixed you're fucken delussional. Honest as I can be, yes I know some of Carneras fights were fixed. Fact of the matter is he was still one hell of a fighter, and had a vicious haymaker. You're still pulling at straws after I made you look like a dumbass though.

HA HA HA HA!

No, the fights were fixed...what don't you understand about that? I am reporting your post to the mods, because of its stupidity. Because Jack Sharkey took a dive against Carnera, is that supposed to reflect well on Carnera's boxing acumen, because the guy that took the dive was a good fighter?

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Tyson has nowhere near the wins Joe had

Joe beat Ali, fought Ali to death every time and fought in great era of HWs

Foreman would have destroyed Tyson just like Lennox did, Tyson would have folded against Frazier after he hit him a couple times and Joe was still standing

Tyson best win was probably Spinks, but my memory fight be foggy, Spinks was pretty much a small HW and fought a bunch at the lighter weights, he was just over matched against Tyson and was never in that fight mentally

Tyson was a freak if nature, but he never showed much heart after not being a head in a fight

What about Larry Holmes? Holmes was a great fighter. 21 title defenses, second to only Joe Louis.

Mike took the title from Trevor Berbick, who also beat Larry Holmes and Ali, albeit Ali was over the hill.

You mention Spinks, who was a 4 time LHW champion and was the HW champion as well.

Mike Tyson also bet Holmes who had 21 successfull title defenses, second to only Joe Louis. Holmes also beat Ali, and Ken Norton who is another HOF champion not getting much conversation here today. Holmes was real.

Holmes BTW also beat Leon Spinks, who in turn also beat Ali.

[Liquidrob]

What about Larry Holmes? Holmes was a great fighter. 21 title defenses, second to only Joe Louis.

Mike took the title from Trevor Berbick, who also beat Larry Holmes and Ali, albeit Ali was over the hill.

You mention Spinks, who was a 4 time LHW champion and was the HW champion as well.

Mike Tyson also bet Holmes who had 21 successfull title defenses, second to only Joe Louis. Holmes also beat Ali, and Ken Norton who is another HOF champion not getting much conversation here today. Holmes was real.

Holmes BTW also beat Leon Spinks, who in turn also beat Ali.

Holmes was done

[FirstTimer]

LMAO that +,-,>,< list was hella funny. It was meant to be a new sort of Mornington Crescent game you fucken idiot. I bet you don't even know what that is. It's ok, you can spend the next few hours figuring that one out only to find out what a complete waste of time it is....because you're a fucking dumbass! LMAO

WHy would I care what it is at all? It was a dumb fucking idea to begin with. That's the point. I don't need to take anytime at all to make that evaluation.

It's funny how you try to knock my hystorical perspective and you haven't said anything more than Tyson>....STFU you ignorant bloody twat. :kickballs:

Actually it was Frazier>Tyson. Also I LOL at brinign up Tyson beating Holmes. Tyson dragged Holmes out of retirement with a big purse two years after Holmes last fight. Tyson beat 1988 Holmes. Not the Holmes from the early 1980's when he was in his prime. Dumb ass.

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

HA HA HA HA!

No, the fights were fixed...what don't you understand about that? I am reporting your post to the mods, because of its stupidity. Because Jack Sharkey took a dive against Carnera, is that supposed to reflect well on Carnera's boxing acumen, because the guy that took the dive was a good fighter?

Screw you, Jack Sharkey himself denied taking a dive. There has been no definative proof Sharkey took a dive. Why do you think I mentioned him first. I was very much hoping you would take the bait...no pun intended with his name...lol

I'm so glad you took the time to google Sharkey v Carnera. So tell me wise sir proove to me now that Sharkey took a dive. Show me the actual proof he took a dive, you ignorant fuck.

[Senser81]

Ken Norton who is another HOF champion not getting much conversation here today.

Ken Norton was a very good fighter, but he probably didn't win enough big bouts to be among the top 10. He also was knocked out by The Great White Hopeless in the first round. Ouch!

[Senser81]

Screw you, Jack Sharkey himself denied taking a dive. There has been no definative proof Sharkey took a dive. Why do you think I mentioned him first. I was very much hoping you would take the bait...no pun intended with his name...lol

I'm so glad you took the time to google Sharkey v Carnera. So tell me wise sir proove to me now that Sharkey took a dive. Show me the actual proof he took a dive, you ignorant fuck.

LOL...its not like I'm unearthing 'new evidence'. I thought it was common knowledge among boxing historians that Carnera was a paper champion. The only fights Carnera won were fixed fights. If they weren't, he lost. Sharkey had already beaten Carnera once, then took a dive in the rematch. Reports of the second Sharkey-Carnera fight indicate that Carnera's knockout punch didn't even connect with Sharkey's jaw. Don't believe me? Then read any of Budd Schulberg's boxing books.

I don't understand your anger. You were the one who listed Carnera among the 'tough fighters' that Joe Louis defeated. I called you out on your blatant mistake. And now YOU are accusing ME of not knowing what I'm talking about?!