Top 10 GOAT Heavyweight Champs

[nflman2033]

I would agree with you in a lot of ways.

I'm done with this hypothetical Thrilla in Manila stuff.

i will make my statement on the Thrilla in Manilla fight, I think there is no question ALi was not sad to see that fight end, and I think even Ali's corner knows he was ready to throw in the towel when Fraziers camp finally did, and also I fully believe that Frazier didn't want to quit... however the fact of the matter is that he didn't finish the fight and if I am not mistaking Frazier was down on the scorecards at the time.

[FirstTimer]

A prime Lennox Lewis would have beat the Ali that beat Foreman and fought in the thrilla in manilla

He wouldnt have been sucked into the rope a dope like Foreman and I straight up brawl like Frazier

Lewis makes you fight his fight with superior boxing skills and size and would win a decision over Ali

Don't agree at all. But meh.

[FirstTimer]

i will make my statement on the Thrilla in Manilla fight, I think there is no question ALi was not sad to see that fight end, and I think even Ali's corner knows he was ready to throw in the towel when Fraziers camp finally did, and also I fully believe that Frazier didn't want to quit... however the fact of the matter is that he didn't finish the fight and if I am not mistaking Frazier was down on the scorecards at the time.

According to Senser. Two judges who were interviewed about the fight said they had the fight tied up going into the final round.

As for the rest I'm sure Ali was "ready" to throw in the towel to a certain extent but I don't think he would have.

[Liquidrob]

A prime Lennox Lewis would have beat the Ali that beat Foreman and fought in the thrilla in manilla

He wouldnt have been sucked into the rope a dope like Foreman and I straight up brawl like Frazier

Lewis makes you fight his fight with superior boxing skills and size and would win a decision over Ali

also, Ali just didnt have the KO power to take out Lewis with 1 shot, he would be at the end of Lennox's jab all night

Lewis never had a problem winning a boring fight with his skills

[nflman2033]

A prime Lennox Lewis would have beat the Ali that beat Foreman and fought in the thrilla in manilla

He wouldnt have been sucked into the rope a dope like Foreman and I straight up brawl like Frazier

Lewis makes you fight his fight with superior boxing skills and size and would win a decision over Ali

I think Lewis is a very underrated Heavyweight, however Rope A Dope wouldn't work in the way it worked against foreman as there was no way lewis would punch himself out, however where it would work is that Ali could use that in order to keep from getting tired out while he stayed on defense and took that last minute of the round, so i think it would probably go the distance, and likely be close, but I still think ALi would win enough rounds to get the win, but thats totally my opinion... however there is no question in my mind whatso ever that Prime Ali would not have to worry about Lewis.

also what Lewis are we talking pre or post Manny in his corner because he was a much better fighter once he started being trained by Steward

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I wont nickel and dime the top 10 since Im so out of the boxing loop its not even funny.

I will say this.

Lennox Lewis being above Holyfield/Tyson/Frazier is ludicrous and bordering on the insane. Lewis is the weakest Heavyweight I can recall and you can pretty much pinpoint him as the downturn and fall of the heavyweight division.

He could barely squeak it out against an severely slowing Holyfield with 2 tries , he took 8 rounds to finish a shell of Mike Tyson. You think he stands a chance against ANY of the big guys in there prime ?
Tyson would swallow him up within 3 rounds Holyfield easily out points him if they met even 2 years prior. Lew's' pension for stalling and avoiding fights and delaying matchups coupled with his glass chin efforts give him an impressive record but an absolute absence of greatness.


As for Tyson. I can see how his post Cus career looks bad and his ranking should be worth dropping becuase of it. But he clearly is a guy who was 2 completely different fighters in his career.
The ridiculous notion of him being bullied , not being able to stand up to guys , or would quit easily is 100% King era. Tysons early career was spent against "bullies" and guys who thought theyd simply outpoint , use reach , or intimidate Tyson. Tyson mopped the floor with all of them and destroyed every boxer in his path ...old , young , champ , has been didnt matter he wrecked all of them usually in under 2 minutes. People are too quick to forget just what a unique and rare talent he was and just how well trained he was.

Noone on that top 10 list had his combination of speed/power and unlike Frazier he knew how to dodge , move and setup the shots he wanted. Yes as a career barely top 10. But you put all these guys in there prime Ali/Foreman would be the only guys IMO that would give him a run for his money.

Bottom line in no planet or reality or scenario does Lewis deserve to be over Tyson/Frazier/Holyfield

[nflman2033]

According to Senser. Two judges who were interviewed about the fight said they had the fight tied up going into the final round.

As for the rest I'm sure Ali was "ready" to throw in the towel to a certain extent but I don't think he would have.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=147&cat=boxer

referee: Carlos Padilla 60-66 | judge: Larry Nadayag 62-66 | judge: Alfredo Quiazon 62-67 ~

however that doesn't seem to be enough points, so I am not sure how accurate that is

[Liquidrob]

I know its hard to let go KOF, but that Tyson you watched, he never fought great comp and guys were shaking in there boots before fighting Mike

Mitch Blood Green wasnt scared and he went the distance with Tyson and he was even that good

[ThunderHorse]

I know its hard to let go KOF, but that Tyson you watched, he never fought great comp and guys were shaking in there boots before fighting Mike

Mitch Blood Green wasnt scared and he went the distance with Tyson and he was even that good

Ha,

Can you blame them?

I've never seen a man move his fists so fast in my life. I can only imagine what it would feel like to suffer a combo from Tyson when he was in his early 20's.

[Liquidrob]

Ha,

Can you blame them?

I've never seen a man move his fists so fast in my life. I can only imagine what it would feel like to suffer a combo from Tyson when he was in his early 20's.

loved watching tyson fight, rather watch him than almost any boxer, but he is way overblown IMO

[Liquidrob]

Lewis didnt go out there looking for 1 punch KO's, he just boxed you up and got the win, his only 2 losses he avenged in brutal fashion

Lewis is very underrated in the all time ranks, with his size and boxing skills, I would match him up against anyone and like his chances

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I know its hard to let go KOF, but that Tyson you watched, he never fought great comp and guys were shaking in there boots before fighting Mike

Mitch Blood Green wasnt scared and he went the distance with Tyson and he was even that good

Neither did Lennox Lewis or RoyJones Jr. RJJ and Tyson both absolutely wrecked and humiliated guys. Tyson unified the title and made sure ranked and up and comers were nobodies. Once again when you are THAT good and THAT dominant whos going to pose a challenge ? People want to dismiss everyone after a fight but many of these guys were considered legit and pretty damn good fighters before stepping in the ring with Tyson. Your assertion that he could be bullied etc is just really off the mark. The only people that say that are holding on to Old Tyson. Thats like me judging Foreman only on his post Grill making days.

If your best argument was one guy who wasnt scared went the distance its not doing much. Lennox had everyone go the distance on him. He couldnt take care of guys that had no business in the ring with him let alone the sport of boxing. Aging vets, flash KOs by nobodies and losing to a guy whos career highlight was crying in the ring is hardly a resume that can compete.

Lastly Blood Green and Tyson were both less that 20 fights into there careers. Green did nothing much outside of Hug Tyson for 10 rounds despite 8 inches of height advantage and a bunch of Gold gloves to his name. Hardly in argument over "not being scared".

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Lewis didnt go out there looking for 1 punch KO's, he just boxed you up and got the win, his only 2 losses he avenged in brutal fashion

Lewis is very underrated in the all time ranks, with his size and boxing skills, I would match him up against anyone and like his chances

Neither did Tyson till after Cus died. He wasnt trained that way and it was Don King who forced him into that style.
Tyson threw combinations and came at you from every angle. Noone was able to handle that combination of Power and Speed. As fast as anyone but hit like Foreman.
Lewis couldnt knock anyone out. Holyfield was a guy whod outbox you. Lewis tried numerous times in his career to take guys out and got exposed. Noone was afraid to get hit by him and it really wasnt a big deal to get a Lewis punch and just move on.

[Liquidrob]

Neither did Lennox Lewis or RoyJones Jr. RJJ and Tyson both absolutely wrecked and humiliated guys. Tyson unified the title and made sure ranked and up and comers were nobodies. Once again when you are THAT good and THAT dominant whos going to pose a challenge ? People want to dismiss everyone after a fight but many of these guys were considered legit and pretty damn good fighters before stepping in the ring with Tyson. Your assertion that he could be bullied etc is just really off the mark. The only people that say that are holding on to Old Tyson. Thats like me judging Foreman only on his post Grill making days.

If your best argument was one guy who wasnt scared went the distance its not doing much. Lennox had everyone go the distance on him. He couldnt take care of guys that had no business in the ring with him let alone the sport of boxing. Aging vets, flash KOs by nobodies and losing to a guy whos career highlight was crying in the ring is hardly a resume that can compete.

Lastly Blood Green and Tyson were both less that 20 fights into there careers. Green did nothing much outside of Hug Tyson for 10 rounds despite 8 inches of height advantage and a bunch of Gold gloves to his name. Hardly in argument over "not being scared".

See above you

Lewis didnt go out there looking for 1 punch KO's, he just boxed you up and got the win, his only 2 losses he avenged in brutal fashion

Lewis is very underrated in the all time ranks, with his size and boxing skills, I would match him up against anyone and like his chances

Tyson has no real quality wins, Spinks (past his prime small HW), Holmes (Over the hill), etc...

When tyson got checked, he usual folded

[Liquidrob]

Neither did Tyson till after Cus died. He wasnt trained that way and it was Don King who forced him into that style.
Tyson threw combinations and came at you from every angle. Noone was able to handle that combination of Power and Speed. As fast as anyone but hit like Foreman.
Lewis couldnt knock anyone out. Holyfield was a guy whod outbox you. Lewis tried numerous times in his career to take guys out and got exposed. Noone was afraid to get hit by him and it really wasnt a big deal to get a Lewis punch and just move on.

funny you say Lennox couldnt KO anyone, but he has 41 wins, 32 by KO

He took out penalty of guys, he just was a pure boxer, Lewis had puncing power, he was just as happy to beat you with boxing skills and get the win as with a KO

He only got 'exposed' twice and than he brutally beat both those guys down, he made 1 of them cry and quit