2010 HOF Prediction contest

[Warner2BruceTD]

Jackson and Greene each made the All-Pro team 3 times.

But I agree I think Greene was better.

I looked it up, and Rickey Jackson was never an All Pro.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JackRi01.htm

Where do you see 3? Are you counting the fringe All Pro teams (UPI, Sporting News, etc?), because he was never an AP All Pro.

Regardless, its a horrible HOF choice IMO.

 

[DDRGuido]

Damn, if Carter, Brown, & Sharpe didn't get in that means Reed won't even get looked at till the 2012 HOF selection.

The guys picked are most deserving. John Randle scared me when I was a kid.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Damn, if Carter, Brown, & Sharpe didn't get in that means Reed won't even get looked at till the 2012 HOF selection.

The guys picked are most deserving. John Randle scared me when I was a kid.

The Football HOF is always wacky, especially when it comes to WR's. How the hell is somebody like Cris Carter not a HOF'er?

Meanwhile, guys like Rickey Jackson & Floyd Little get in. Who would you rather have on your team, Cris Carter or Floyd Little?

Then you have dominant players like Aeneas Williams, who dominated his position for over a decade and was a Pro Bowl player at two postions, and he cant get past the semi final round. No GM in his right mind would start a defense with Rickey Jackson over Aeneas Williams. It's baffling.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Floyd Little was one of the senior committee nominees - his induction is irrelevant to Sharpe, Carter, Dent etc.

I don't care how he got in, the point is he made it in. And Carter, Sharpe, etc didn't.

And that's why the Football HOF is so silly and illogical.

 

[dell71]

I keep hearing that they're lumping Sharpe in with WRs, which is just asinine to me. I know he wasn't much of a blocker but damn he only broke every receiving record for tight ends, and changed the way the position is played and was considered the best at said position for a decade. But Rickey Jackson gets in? Very good player, but HOF worthy? I guess? :dontknow:

 

[DDRGuido]

The Football HOF is always wacky, especially when it comes to WR's. How the hell is somebody like Cris Carter not a HOF'er?

Meanwhile, guys like Rickey Jackson & Floyd Little get in. Who would you rather have on your team, Cris Carter or Floyd Little?

Then you have dominant players like Aeneas Williams, who dominated his position for over a decade and was a Pro Bowl player at two postions, and he cant get past the semi final round. No GM in his right mind would start a defense with Rickey Jackson over Aeneas Williams. It's baffling.

Cris Carter catch touchdowns

 

[Saluki]

How do they keep passing up Cris Carter? He shoulda gone in last year, and Shannon Sharpe is a 1st ballot, i dont care how u cut it. Who are the idiots that pick this shit?

 

[f16harm]

Cris Carter catch touchdowns

How do they keep passing up Cris Carter? He shoulda gone in last year, and Shannon Sharpe is a 1st ballot, i dont care how u cut it. Who are the idiots that pick this shit?

Agree, it makes absolutely no fucking sense. There has to be some deep throating going on in some dark closet in an office somewhere.

Ricky Jackson, Floyd Little and Russ Grimm before Shannon Sharpe and Cris Carter (I may even throw Tim Brown into that as well)???? Get out of here with that shit.

I don't even know if I would consider Ricky Jackson a HOF, period.

 

[MrBill]

Rickey Jackson would have never made it into the HoF this year if not for the "Who Dat" fever that is sweeping the nation right now. Sometimes timing is everything in life.

A complete sham that Sharpe and Carter didn't get in. I hated both of them as players but their statistics and impact on the game were 1st ballot induction worthy. Agreed that Dent deserved to go in as well but didn't think he was a lock.

 

[DomePatrol]

Rickey Jackson would have never made it into the HoF this year if not for the "Who Dat" fever that is sweeping the nation right now. Sometimes timing is everything in life.

A complete sham that Sharpe and Carter didn't get in. I hated both of them as players but their statistics and impact on the game were 1st ballot induction worthy. Agreed that Dent deserved to go in as well but didn't think he was a lock.

That was the big push in saints land. Everybody figured he would finally make it just because we finally stopped sucking ass and won an NFC title.

 

[f16harm]

^^ completely agree with you two.


All I know is that in 5-6 years Zach Thomas better be inducted. If I am correct, dude has more tackles than any currently inducted HoF LB and only 4 or 5 other people in the history of the NFL have more tackles in their career than him (yes, even more than Ray Ray and Zach didn't play this year or 11 games in '07).

 

[FirstTimer]

I looked it up, and Rickey Jackson was never an All Pro.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JackRi01.htm

Where do you see 3? Are you counting the fringe All Pro teams (UPI, Sporting News, etc?), because he was never an AP All Pro.

Regardless, its a horrible HOF choice IMO.

That would be it.

His wiki references 4 and I believe they were non AP

 

[Senser81]

Lots of hate for Rickey Jackson. To compare sack totals with Kevin Greene or 1st team All-Pro totals misses the point of his career. He was a very durable and highly productive player for 15 years. He was a great all-around talent, able to excel at both OLB and DE. I believe he is among the all-time leaders in fumbles forced and fumbles recovered (not to mention sacks).

He could have had more accolades (pro bowl, All-Pro), but it didn't help that his best years (1983-1986) were spent on some bad Saints teams, and that an NFC OLB spot was always going to be taken by Lawrence Taylor. Compare that to Junior Seau, who was switched between ILB/MLB/OLB depending on where he could be fit into the pro bowl lineup. IMO, people who diss Jackson's enshrinement just aren't familiar enough with his career. He is a fine choice for Canton.

That said, the HOF Committee continued its recent trend of absolutely awful selections. I am assuming this is because more ESPN morons have been added to the voting constituency.

Floyd Little is not a HOFer. Nice player, but Otis Armstrong and Terrell Davis were better Bronco RBs before injury. Awful choice. Larry Brown was better than Little, and he played at the same time as Little.

Dick LeBeau is not a HOFer. If they had a lifetime achievement award, then perhaps LeBeau would be a good choice. Questionable choice.

Russ Grimm isn't a HOFer, either. I guess they wanted a representative of the 1982 -1987 Redskin O-lines, but Jerry Kramer and Bob Kuechenberg had much better careers than Grimm.

Very bad selections this year.

 

[FirstTimer]

Ok...

Now I'm just confused..

Shula was put in only two years after he retired from coaching.

Does a coach have to retire and wait 5 years or can he be elected while he is still active like LeBeau was or was Leabeau put in simply ased on hismerits as a player?

 

[MrBill]

Lots of hate for Rickey Jackson. To compare sack totals with Kevin Greene or 1st team All-Pro totals misses the point of his career. He was a very durable and highly productive player for 15 years. He was a great all-around talent, able to excel at both OLB and DE. I believe he is among the all-time leaders in fumbles forced and fumbles recovered (not to mention sacks).

He could have had more accolades (pro bowl, All-Pro), but it didn't help that his best years (1983-1986) were spent on some bad Saints teams, and that an NFC OLB spot was always going to be taken by Lawrence Taylor. Compare that to Junior Seau, who was switched between ILB/MLB/OLB depending on where he could be fit into the pro bowl lineup. IMO, people who diss Jackson's enshrinement just aren't familiar enough with his career. He is a fine choice for Canton.

That said, the HOF Committee continued its recent trend of absolutely awful selections. I am assuming this is because more ESPN morons have been added to the voting constituency.

Floyd Little is not a HOFer. Nice player, but Otis Armstrong and Terrell Davis were better Bronco RBs before injury. Awful choice. Larry Brown was better than Little, and he played at the same time as Little.

Dick LeBeau is not a HOFer. If they had a lifetime achievement award, then perhaps LeBeau would be a good choice. Questionable choice.

Russ Grimm isn't a HOFer, either. I guess they wanted a representative of the 1982 -1987 Redskin O-lines, but Jerry Kramer and Bob Kuechenberg had much better careers than Grimm.

Very bad selections this year.

I'm not really hating on Rickey, just didn't think he would make the cut this year compared to some of the guys on the list.

Agreed on Floyd Little, I read a few notes from Peter King that said he felt like he got in because of the impassioned presentation from the Denver sportswriter that spoke to the voters about his candidacy. That concerns me because I thought the NFL stood for National Football League, not National Forensic League.

 

[Senser81]

Ok...

Now I'm just confused..

Shula was put in only two years after he retired from coaching.

Does a coach have to retire and wait 5 years or can he be elected while he is still active like LeBeau was or was Leabeau put in simply ased on hismerits as a player?

IIRC, a coach doesn't have the 5-year waiting period. In fact, I don't think they have any waiting period...they can be enshrined as soon as they retire. This allowed Joe Gibbs to be in the HOF and still coaching in his second go-round with the Skins. It was also used as a reason not to have Bill Parcells on the ballot every time he quit, because people expected him to take a new job shortly thereafter.

As for LeBeau, thats a good question. I assume he is in because of his merits as a player and a coach, because I don't think he was THAT good of a player, and if he was, then his name would have come up as a HOF candidate before now IMO. It is weird, though, because I can think of only two guys who were enshrined for their combined player/coach merits (Walt Kiesling & Jimmy Conzelman)...but LeBeau being mainly an assistant coach is odd. It might open the door for football lifers like Howard Mudd (Very good player, great assistant).

 

[FirstTimer]

IIRC, a coach doesn't have the 5-year waiting period.

Found this at the HOF website:

The only restriction is that a player and coach must have been retired at least five years before he can be considered

I don't know what the hell is going on.

Hall of Famers: Selection Process FAQ

As for LeBeau, thats a good question. I assume he is in because of his merits as a player and a coach, because I don't think he was THAT good of a player, and if he was, then his name would have come up as a HOF candidate before now IMO.

Agreed.

The only way I put him in is if it's because of both his roles.

It is weird, though, because I can think of only two guys who were enshrined for their combined player/coach merits (Walt Kiesling & Jimmy Conzelman)...but LeBeau being mainly an assistant coach is odd. It might open the door for football lifers like Howard Mudd (Very good player, great assistant).

Should be really interesting. I mean this might open the doors too for guys like Buddy Ryan. If LeBeau can get in maybe it let's a guy like Buddy Ryan get more nods down the road. I know Ryan wasn't a player but he had almsot 30 years of really great success as a DC and then even as a coach of Philly.

 

[Blick]

Rickey Jackson had more career sacks than Derrick Thomas, and was a better player against the run from opinions I've read. I don't think that's a bad selection.