30for30: Elway to Marino

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Must watch.

Awesome doc about the back door dealings and complete mental retardation of NFL personnel men.

 

[1ke]

I was impressed. That old NE Coach seems a bit bitter, even today.

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[BigHouseUSA]

Couldn't get through it because those cunts were just too stupid. Just a bunch of stubborn white dudes fucking around because one agent had a dumb idea.

 

[ralaw]

I enjoyed it because it gave insight to a lot of the history of the draft from different perspectives.

 

[FirstTimer]

Awesome stuff about Walsh considering (at least for a moment) trading Montana for Elway.

One of the better 30 for 30's IMO

 

[Hasselbeck]

Can't believe Seattle could have had Elway.

:facepalm:

 

[Maynard]

i enjoyed it. watched it back to back last night. not that everyone didnt know ersay was a complete fucking retard but it emphasized it more so.

plus the stuff with the NFL putting the kibosh on the raiders trade with chicago...seems legit

 

[FirstTimer]

I cringed each time the Bears passed on Marino.

Covert ended up being a really nice pick..but Willie Gault...geesh. Fucking McMahon.

 

[Raidersabc123]

Raiders should have gotten elway

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I cringed each time the Bears passed on Marino.

Covert ended up being a really nice pick..but Willie Gault...geesh. Fucking McMahon.

The Bears were really dumb...Covert was Marino's tackle in college, his bff...Chicago should have taken Jimbo and Marino and they would've probably dominated the 80's.

 

[Leftwich]

As a rookie, John Elway had a very punchable face.

 

[Glenbino]

Can't believe Seattle could have had Elway.

:facepalm:

Raiders should have gotten elway

:smug:

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[ryne candy]

Raiders should have gotten elway

Howie could have been a Bear...eh?

The Bears were really dumb...Covert was Marino's tackle in college, his bff...Chicago should have taken Jimbo and Marino and they would've probably dominated the 80's.

that's looking 20/20....Jim McMahon was picked the year before and won NFC ROTY. It's hard to get another qb in the 1st round after his performance in '82.

 

[Senser81]

I thought the episode was interesting. I think any player who criticized what Elway did was probably just jealous that Elway had the ability to use baseball as leverage, and in the end it was a good move by Elway to avoid the Colts. I don't know what people thought at the time, but Frank Kush was a terrible fit for the NFL. Why did the Colts hire him in the first place? Was he an Accorsi hire?


Speaking of Ernie Accorsi, I really have to question his strategy regarding Elway. First, Frank Kush went winless in 1982...if Elway didn't want to play for him, why not just get rid of Kush? Happens in the NBA all the time. Second, the USFL was paying big money to rookie QBs, so even if Accorsi thought Elway preferred football over baseball, Elway could always jump ship to the USFL, too. 1983 was a great time for rookie bargaining power. Third, Accorsi said that the 1983 draft class was far superior to the projected 1984 draft class, yet he seemed to be in no hurry to get a deal done and instead wanted to wait it out with Elway and try to work out a deal at some point during the 1983 season. But by that time, not only would many teams have already selected their rookie QB, but the Colts themselves would have missed out on selecting one of the five other 1983 first-round QBs. Accorsi's strategy seemed to be based on the reasoning that the Colts' bargaining position would improve over time, when the opposite was, IMO, clearly the case. The longer the Colts waited to make a deal regarding Elway, the less chance there would be for the Colts to draft a different franchise QB.

 

[Senser81]

I was impressed. That old NE Coach seems a bit bitter, even today.

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Yeah, Ron Meyer had an interesting assessment of Tony Eason. Eason was frail...his body was the same as Sam Bradford's. But Eason was a very good QB, and I liked how Meyer referred to him as "just another guy" (or something like that). Eason's 1984 season was pretty incredible for a 1st year starter. Meyer is was fired at the midway point of the 1984 season, and I think he is still the only coach in NFL history to be fired in midseason while having a winning record (5-3). Eason's 1986 season was astounding..# 2 offense, 3328 yards, 19-10, 62% for a team that had the worst running game in modern NFL history.

 

[FirstTimer]

I thought the episode was interesting. I think any player who criticized what Elway did was probably just jealous that Elway had the ability to use baseball as leverage, and in the end it was a good move by Elway to avoid the Colts. I don't know what people thought at the time, but Frank Kush was a terrible fit for the NFL. Why did the Colts hire him in the first place? Was he an Accorsi hire?


Speaking of Ernie Accorsi, I really have to question his strategy regarding Elway. First, Frank Kush went winless in 1982...if Elway didn't want to play for him, why not just get rid of Kush? Happens in the NBA all the time. Second, the USFL was paying big money to rookie QBs, so even if Accorsi thought Elway preferred football over baseball, Elway could always jump ship to the USFL, too. 1983 was a great time for rookie bargaining power. Third, Accorsi said that the 1983 draft class was far superior to the projected 1984 draft class, yet he seemed to be in no hurry to get a deal done and instead wanted to wait it out with Elway and try to work out a deal at some point during the 1983 season. But by that time, not only would many teams have already selected their rookie QB, but the Colts themselves would have missed out on selecting one of the five other 1983 first-round QBs. Accorsi's strategy seemed to be based on the reasoning that the Colts' bargaining position would improve over time, when the opposite was, IMO, clearly the case. The longer the Colts waited to make a deal regarding Elway, the less chance there would be for the Colts to draft a different franchise QB.

I don't think he was an Accorsi hire. Accorsi only became the GM after Kush was the coach.

I somewhat saw Accorsi' logic by leveraging the crappy 1984 QB class and basically holding Elway's rights to try and get something out of other teams the next year. I also thought it was interesting the USFL wasn't brought up as an option for Elway...but given what we know of :smug: Elway at the time it wouldn't surprise me if he and his dad felt the USFL was below them and not worthy of Elway playing there. Just a hunch.

 

[Senser81]

plus the stuff with the NFL putting the kibosh on the raiders trade with chicago...seems legit

I didn't really buy that. Too many loose ends to the story. Al Davis wasn't involved in the trade talk, so it would make sense that in the end Davis didn't want to get rid of Howie Long (who was a Davis pet project) and pulled back on the deal.

Also, it made sense to me that Jim Finks/Bears did not understand the Raiders' offer, because it was confusing to me (despite Demoff's claim that anyone could understand it). You have two pools of players...one of two players (Long and Watts), and the other of four players (Barnes, McElroy, and two other average guys). It would make sense to me that you are choosing between the first pool and second pool, not one player from each pool, because no one would have chosed Watts over Long, and the pools themselves had a different amount of players. The Raiders made things unnecessarily complicated, IMO.

It seemed like Ron Wolf, Al Davis, etc. were just trying to deflect blame over the fact that they passed on Dan Marino and instead went forward with ancient Jim Plunkett and bust Marc Wilson at QB.

 

[FirstTimer]

I didn't really buy that. Too many loose ends to the story. Al Davis wasn't involved in the trade talk, so it would make sense that in the end Davis didn't want to get rid of Howie Long (who was a Davis pet project) and pulled back on the deal.

Also, it made sense to me that Jim Finks/Bears did not understand the Raiders' offer, because it was confusing to me (despite Demoff's claim that anyone could understand it). You have two pools of players...one of two players (Long and Watts), and the other of four players (Barnes, McElroy, and two other average guys). It would make sense to me that you are choosing between the first pool and second pool, not one player from each pool, because no one would have chosed Watts over Long, and the pools themselves had a different amount of players. The Raiders made things unnecessarily complicated, IMO.

It seemed like Ron Wolf, Al Davis, etc. were just trying to deflect blame over the fact that they passed on Dan Marino and instead went forward with ancient Jim Plunkett and bust Marc Wilson at QB.

Exactly my thought while watching it.

 

[NAHSTE]

Need to watch this just for Ron Meyer alone, guy is a character. He's one of the standouts of the SMU 30 for 30.

Anyone know when the next replays are? I'm sure they'll run it a few times this weekend.

 

[ryne candy]

Need to watch this just for Ron Meyer alone, guy is a character. He's one of the standouts of the SMU 30 for 30.

Anyone know when the next replays are? I'm sure they'll run it a few times this weekend.

FRI 4/26 @ 1:30am EST ESPN2
SAT 4/27 @ 10:30am EST ESPNU
SUN 4/28 @ 6:30am EST ESPN2
SUN 4/28 @ 9:00pm EST ESPN2