5,000 passing yards ?

[Jmiles]

I recall hearing some NFL show (don't remember which one) talking about Drew Brees having a shot at 6,000 passing yards. Imo, this is embarrassing. This isn't something I'd be proud of as a league.

I'll go ahead and say more than 3 will do it this year.

Wouldn't he get kicked out of the league for cheesing if that happened?:walker:

 

[Hasselbeck]

I'll say 0 do it.

The rules have been slanted towards the passing game for the past several seasons, it didn't just happen in 2011.

A couple will hit the high 4000's (4500-4800), but don't see anyone hitting 5000 this year.

 

[Senser81]

As KOF mentioned, a big factor is health. What are the odds that Stafford plays another full season?

I don't know if 5000 is the new 4000, because not that many players have gotten to the 5000 mark. It seems like 4500+ is the new 4000, because most of the elite QBs end up in that area.

Three more things:

1) I've seen John Jaha play many times in person. I used to go to Brewers games before they got their new stadium, and Jaha was their clean-up hitter whenever he wasn't injuring himself.

2) I still have a mint condition Kevin Elster "Future Stars" Topps card. Waiting to cash in on that one.

3) The NFL passing yardage milestones are kind of funny. For the longest time, no QB had ever thrown for 3000+ yards in a season, then Unitas did it in 1960 (with a 12 game schedule). Frank Tripucka and Jack Kemp also threw for 3000+ yards in 1960, but that was in the AFL and with a 14-game schedule. Then a few years later in 1967, Joe Namath threw for 4000+ yards in a 14-game schedule. It was 12 more years before someone else (Dan Fouts) threw for 4000+ yards, and that was with the 16-game schedule. Dan Marino threw for 5000+ in 1984, and no one else really came close to that mark until 24 years later when Drew Brees threw for 5000+ in 2008. Then last year you had 3 guys hit the 5000+ mark and nearly had a 4th as well (Eli Manning).

 

[Tailback U]

I'll say less than 3.

If you look at last season, passing yard per game tapered down as the season went on and defenses adjusted. I think the lockout really helped the offenses. I don't think this is going to be a yearly thing, either, the nfl is a copycat league and defenses will adjust accordingly.

It's already starting to happen and the Giants have laid out the blueprint by loading up on elite pass rushing DLinemen and the rest of the league is starting to do the same.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

2) I still have a mint condition Kevin Elster "Future Stars" Topps card. Waiting to cash in on that on that one

Ugh....seriously you already have it ?

I'm dropping out of this vsn secret Santa shit.

 

[Senser81]

I think we actually did try to organize an MM Secret Santa one year. That would have been funny.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I think we actually did try to organize an MM Secret Santa one year. That would have been funny.

The VSN one went off without much fanfare.
The MM one would have been left with a wild thread and confusion as to who really sent DirtySouth the penis pic with S.MC scribbled on it.:lalala:

 

[DoubleDeuce]

I don't know how many 5000 yard passers we'll see this year or any other year, but I do believe this league wide increase in passing will make defenses more susceptible to the power running game, just leading to inflated rushing statistics sometime in the future.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I don't know how many 5000 yard passers we'll see this year or any other year, but I do believe this league wide increase in passing will make defenses more susceptible to the power running game, just leading to inflated rushing statistics sometime in the future.

Agreed.

The Rams will be an interesting team to watch this season, because Jeff Fisher looked at the roster and concluded that he has a young, hard nosed defense, bad WR's, a physical freak RB, and a QB who thrived best two years ago with short drops and a quick passing game, as opposed to a wide open, seven step drop Josh McDaniels passing game he failed under last year.

So they are going to try an old school, double TE, road grater OL, between the tackles running game with Jackson, complimented by a short play action passing attack with Bradford and his collection of sure handed, but slow footed WR's (Amendola, Brandon Gibson, et al).

I think the league will see more teams try this approach, when more coaches realize that there are only so many fast WR's and very good QB's to go around. Plus, as defenses begin to be built differently to combat these passing attacks, like DoubleDuece says, coaches will realize that these undersized defenses built to rush passers and defend WR's will be susceptible to hard nose running games.

These things tend to run in cycles, and we just happen to be in a really shitty cycle in terms of quality NFL football right now. It's a weird league where no lead is safe, 2-minute drills are ho hum, and big offensive stats mean nothing. It will correct itself, regardless of the numerous safety related rules that most fans hate.

 

[Tailback U]

The quality of football in the NFL isn't shitty. The QB and RB depth has never been better in the sport. Yes, the rules make it easier for wide receivers to catch balls but defenses are faster, better, and deeper than ever as well. The brand of football being played by the league hasn't just all of a sudden decreased dramatically like you are insinuating. You're just seeing it how you want to see it.

15 running backs ran for over 1000 yards last season (Forte was 16th with 997).

16 running backs ran for over 1000 yards in 1995.

What's interesting is that only 2 running backs had over 300 carries last season while 9 did in that 1995 season.

The passing game has just gotten better because QB's are better and the rules have made it safer for receivers and quarterbacks. While teams are not running the ball as much, they are running the ball as effectively as before.

That doesn't automatically equate to a low brand of football being played. That is purely your opinion and I don't even get you've formed it, simply because QB's are passing for more yards?

So when teams start drafting more pass rushing DL and get smaller on the DL and more susceptible to the power run game, will you change your tune and start saying the quality of football being played has gone up?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The quality of football in the NFL isn't shitty. The QB and RB depth has never been better in the sport. Yes, the rules make it easier for wide receivers to catch balls but defenses are faster, better, and deeper than ever as well. The brand of football being played by the league hasn't just all of a sudden decreased dramatically like you are insinuating. You're just seeing it how you want to see it.

15 running backs ran for over 1000 yards last season (Forte was 16th with 997).

16 running backs ran for over 1000 yards in 1995.

What's interesting is that only 2 running backs had over 300 carries last season while 9 did in that 1995 season.

The passing game has just gotten better because QB's are better and the rules have made it safer for receivers and quarterbacks. While teams are not running the ball as much, they are running the ball as effectively as before.

That doesn't automatically equate to a low brand of football being played. That is purely your opinion and I don't even get you've formed it, simply because QB's are passing for more yards?

So when teams start drafting more pass rushing DL and get smaller on the DL and more susceptible to the power run game, will you change your tune and start saying the quality of football being played has gone up?

I will change my tune and say the quality of football has gone up when points are no longer cheap, scoring lots of points is relatively difficult again, and making a comeback against an NFL defense is no longer a forgone conclusion.

You are right, it is merely my opinion that the quality of the product is in he shitter right now, but when I look at a league where passing has never been easier (making most games resemble a vintage WAC football game), and defenses have been hamstrung by a series of difficult to overcome rules (most of which I support, btw, in the interest of safety, but at the same time I realize the negative impact these rules have on the product), this is not the same NFL I fell in love with as a kid and have enjoyed immensely my entire life. Sunday's just aren't the same the last two or three years. Overexposure is another issue that bugs me, but this is not the thread for that.

And I strongly disagree with your argument about QB & RB depth being better than ever. There are a small handful of elite RB's in the league, and the rest are essentially the same and wholly dependent on oline play/scheme to determine success/failure. Plug & play RB has been the theme for a half decade or more now. Elite backs are a dying breed.

QB is as shallow as it's been in decades. 20-25 years ago, teams with bad QB's were rare. Most were competent at worst. Now, we have a half dozen or so HOF caliber QB's, which is great, but i've never seen so many teams with complete scrubs at the QB position as i've seen the last few seasons.

And NOBODY has quality backup QB's anymore. Again, years ago, most teams had a guy who could instantly step in and play well. Usually a grizzled veteran like Frank Reich or Steve DeBerg or Vince Evans or Doug Flutie or Mike Tomczak, or guys waiting for a chance who you knew could play like Jeff Hostetler or Steve Young. Now, with the salary cap, nobody is paying what a solid veteran commands to be a backup, so teams are littered with rookies and bums and journeyman who can't play. So when QB's go down, we get people like Henry Burris or Kellen Clemens or TJ Yates or Brady Quinn or Curtis Painter starting NFL games. And then people complain when the league wants to protect the QB's, not understanding that bad QB play = unwatchable football.

Salary cap also effects depth overall. Five year veterans who know their way around the league are replaced by cost efficient rookies who can't play, because you aren't going to pay a five year guy a higher minimum to play special teams. There is no such thing as the solid veteran backup anymore, unless its a guy who lost his starting job, and will soon be cut the next offseason.

The league is just in an odd place right now. Kind of like steroid era baseball, where it looked like baseball, played like baseball, but was an odd brand of baseball. You would have heard similar complaints from me then. All of these things run in cycles.

 

[ram29jackson]

I will change my tune and say the quality of football has gone up when points are no longer cheap, scoring lots of points is relatively difficult again, and making a comeback against an NFL defense is no longer a forgone conclusion.

You are right, it is merely my opinion that the quality of the product is in he shitter right now, but when I look at a league where passing has never been easier (making most games resemble a vintage WAC football game), and defenses have been hamstrung by a series of difficult to overcome rules (most of which I support, btw, in the interest of safety, but at the same time I realize the negative impact these rules have on the product), this is not the same NFL I fell in love with as a kid and have enjoyed immensely my entire life. Sunday's just aren't the same the last two or three years. Overexposure is another issue that bugs me, but this is not the thread for that.

And I strongly disagree with your argument about QB & RB depth being better than ever. There are a small handful of elite RB's in the league, and the rest are essentially the same and wholly dependent on oline play/scheme to determine success/failure. Plug & play RB has been the theme for a half decade or more now. Elite backs are a dying breed.

QB is as shallow as it's been in decades. 20-25 years ago, teams with bad QB's were rare. Most were competent at worst. Now, we have a half dozen or so HOF caliber QB's, which is great, but i've never seen so many teams with complete scrubs at the QB position as i've seen the last few seasons.

And NOBODY has quality backup QB's anymore. Again, years ago, most teams had a guy who could instantly step in and play well. Usually a grizzled veteran like Frank Reich or Steve DeBerg or Vince Evans or Doug Flutie or Mike Tomczak, or guys waiting for a chance who you knew could play like Jeff Hostetler or Steve Young. Now, with the salary cap, nobody is paying what a solid veteran commands to be a backup, so teams are littered with rookies and bums and journeyman who can't play. So when QB's go down, we get people like Henry Burris or Kellen Clemens or TJ Yates or Brady Quinn or Curtis Painter starting NFL games. And then people complain when the league wants to protect the QB's, not understanding that bad QB play = unwatchable football.

Salary cap also effects depth overall. Five year veterans who know their way around the league are replaced by cost efficient rookies who can't play, because you aren't going to pay a five year guy a higher minimum to play special teams. There is no such thing as the solid veteran backup anymore, unless its a guy who lost his starting job, and will soon be cut the next offseason.

The league is just in an odd place right now. Kind of like steroid era baseball, where it looked like baseball, played like baseball, but was an odd brand of baseball. You would have heard similar complaints from me then. All of these things run in cycles.

except these steroids arent illegal and are pushed positively.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

The quality of football in the NFL isn't shitty. The QB and RB depth has never been better in the sport. Yes, the rules make it easier for wide receivers to catch balls but defenses are faster, better, and deeper than ever as well. The brand of football being played by the league hasn't just all of a sudden decreased dramatically like you are insinuating. You're just seeing it how you want to see it.

15 running backs ran for over 1000 yards last season (Forte was 16th with 997).

16 running backs ran for over 1000 yards in 1995.

What's interesting is that only 2 running backs had over 300 carries last season while 9 did in that 1995 season.

The passing game has just gotten better because QB's are better and the rules have made it safer for receivers and quarterbacks. While teams are not running the ball as much, they are running the ball as effectively as before.

That doesn't automatically equate to a low brand of football being played. That is purely your opinion and I don't even get you've formed it, simply because QB's are passing for more yards?

So when teams start drafting more pass rushing DL and get smaller on the DL and more susceptible to the power run game, will you change your tune and start saying the quality of football being played has gone up?

If you can honestly look at this league devoid of dominant runners. Full of safeties who cant cover or tackle because of rules , corners who cant play press coverage , and a bunch of lineman on both sides who should be riding the bench but are forced to start because of salary issues than god bless ya. Even if by some will of God you get past all that I cant fathom watching a game on Sunday and not be horrified by the worst examples of tackling technique since black guys were allowed to run.

QB play is in no way shape or form better. Its really not that hard to play pitch and catch without fear of getting hit or WRs route obstructed. Easy to read a defense when all youre concerned with is "where is the blitz coming from" because you know the back 7 cant cover shit.

The one thing you should take out of QB play is just how horrendous someone like Tebow is that his mechanics , aim ,and ability to read a defense can be so god awful...yet is still a viable option as a starting NFL QB.

Dont confuse talent with good play. The league is full of physically talented guys getting by on lax rules and physicality. Technique and fundamentals are as bad as you've ever seen them even if you dont notice them.

 

[Aso]

I would personally like to hear another W2B rant on overexposure with the new NFLN 13 game regular season schedule out.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I would personally like to hear another W2B rant on overexposure with the new NFLN 13 game regular season schedule out.

been there, done that

I don't know how much is too much, but the NFL is determined to find out.