Aaron Rodgers: "I'm trying to break old habits.."

[Villain]

Hate on what Rodgers hasn't done yet all you want. That interview isn't even about him be the best. The whole thing is a discussion on what he's learned and what he is continuing to learn about what it means and takes to be a successful NFL quarterback. Comparisons to Brett Farve are irrelevant.

 

[ram29jackson]

It wasn't just the number of ints, but also the timeliness of the ints.

Brett Favre =
GOAT regular season
average in the playoffs.

Bart Starr =
above average regular season
Phenomenal in the playoffs.

Starr > Favre.

Aaron Rodgers has a chance to be better than Starr.

LOL at comparisons..they were all Packers, they were all winners, and that is the important thing. GB has cornered the market more than a few times.. Favre, Rodgers, Starr,..they all mean one thing, ;Super Bowls/Championships won !....good night Lynn Dickey, where ever you are ..?


... I just kind of wish Biletnikoff had been a Packer....of course he probably wouldnt have gotten as many catches/balls thrown to him...?

 

[MrBill]

I was going to post a lengthy statistical analysis proving that Favre's INT numbers are far higher than QBs who played at the same time as him (and after) that would be considered his peers by the untrained eye and thoughtless mind, but I remembered that you're an idiot and cancelled those plans.

I'd like to see that lengthy statistical analysis. Favre's interception percentage is actually less than all but 3 Hall of Fame QB's according to the NFL statistics on passing. Every QB on this list is in the HoF.

Brett Favre and the Interception Myth

QUARTERBACK: INTERCEPTION PCT.

Arnie Herber: 9.0 (1,175 attempts, 106 INTs)
Bob Waterfield: 7.9% (1,617 attempts, 128 INTs)
Sid Luckman: 7.6% (1,744 attempts, 132 INTs)
George Blanda: 6.9% (4,007 attempts, 277 INTs)
Sammy Baugh: 6.8% (2,995 attempts, 203 INTs)
Bobby Layne: 6.6% (3,700 attempts, 243 INTs)
Norm Van Brocklin: 6.1% (2,895 attempts, 178 INTs)
Joe Namath: 5.8% (3,762 attempts, 220 INTs)
Y.A. Tittle: 5.6% (4,395 attempts, 248 INTs)
Terry Bradshaw: 5.4% (3,901 attempts, 210 INTs)
Otto Graham: 5.1% (2,626 attempts, 135 INTs)
Bob Griese: 5.0% (3,429 attempts, 172 INTs)
Johnny Unitas: 4.9% (5,186 attempts, 253 INTs)
Len Dawson: 4.9% (3,741 attempts, 183 INTs)
Bart Starr: 4.4% (3,149 attempts, 138 INTs)
Sonny Jurgensen: 4.4% (4,262 attempts, 189 INTs)
Dan Fouts: 4.3% (5,604 attempts, 242 INTs)
Fran Tarkenton: 4.1% (6,467 attempts, 266 INTs)
Roger Staubach: 3.7% (2,958 attempts, 109 INTs)
Jim Kelly: 3.7% (4,779 attempts, 175 INTs)
Boomer Esiason: 3.5% (5,205 attempts, 184 INTs)
Warren Moon: 3.4% (6,823 attempts, 233 INTs)
Brett Favre: 3.3% (9,280 attempts, 310 INTs)

Furthermore, Favre’s interception percentage isn’t terribly higher than that of these Hall of Famers:

John Elway: 3.1 (7,250 attempts, 226 INTs)
Dan Marino: 3.0 (8,358 attempts, 252 INTs)
Troy Aikman: 3.0 (4,715 attempts, 141 INTs)

To me, even these statistics can be read in different ways. Up until a few years ago defensive backs could actually play live football against receivers. QB's today are basically operating in flag football mode. Rodgers has better receivers than Favre post '97 as well to go along with the rule changes favoring the passing game. I think we have 5 QB's in the hunt to break the yardage record this year so even though Rodgers is playing at the top of the league right now, it's easy to see the league is watered down from years past.

 

[bucky]

I'd like to see that lengthy statistical analysis. Favre's interception percentage is actually less than all but 3 Hall of Fame QB's according to the NFL statistics on passing. Every QB on this list is in the HoF.

What's his int % in playoff games? Compared to other HOF QB's in the playoffs? Bet he doesn't even come close to touching Starr on this.

Brett is a 1st ballot HOF'er and deserves to be.

But Brett is
GOAT in the regular season
average in the playoffs

To me, and most others, playoff games are more important than regular season games.

 

[MvP]

Brett is a 1st ballot HOF'er and deserves to be.

But Brett is
GOAT in the regular season
average in the playoffs

The same could be said about Peyton Manning.

 

[BrntO4Life]

I'd like to see that lengthy statistical analysis. Favre's interception percentage is actually less than all but 3 Hall of Fame QB's according to the NFL statistics on passing. Every QB on this list is in the HoF.

I'm not interested in how many INTs are thrown per attempt.

I simply looked at INTs per full season played (minimum 13 games started) and found that Favre was much worse than any other QB I calculated it with (Marino, Kelly, Elway, Rodgers, Manning, Brady). I could have done it with more, but as I said above, wasting my time arguing with rams29jackson is entirely pointless.

 

[Tengo Juego]

Oh, man. You guys really went there.

 

[ram29jackson]

I'm not interested in how many INTs are thrown per attempt.

I simply looked at INTs per full season played (minimum 13 games started) and found that Favre was much worse than any other QB I calculated it with (Marino, Kelly, Elway, Rodgers, Manning, Brady). I could have done it with more, but as I said above, wasting my time arguing with rams29jackson is entirely pointless.

argue about what? I dont deny he threw interceptions at bad times..so what...that doesnt lesson his over all greateness in the history of the NFL..in his twighlight he gave Minnesota a chance to win it all, but alot of team mistakes got in the way, not just his one late bad throw..he has a ton of stats because he was a damn good passer and improviser...Favre threw more interceptions because he threw more passes than most..so what..still, one of the greatest at the QB position in NFL history !! Elway has 2 SB wins, but you can also call him the biggest SB choker in history... ? but its a team game and you cant blame him or Favre entirely for having bad outings in team games...Elway was a great comeback artist, but only when his team wasnt completely inferior to the other team...ah, arm chair football, such a fun timekiller.....:drunk:

 

[MrBill]

What's his int % in playoff games? Compared to other HOF QB's in the playoffs? Bet he doesn't even come close to touching Starr on this.

Brett is a 1st ballot HOF'er and deserves to be.

But Brett is
GOAT in the regular season
average in the playoffs

To me, and most others, playoff games are more important than regular season games.

Well of course Favre doesn't come close to Starr in playoff records. Starr has 15 TD's to 3 INT's and a 104.8 rating with a 9-1 W/L and 2-0 in the Super Bowl (5-1 conference championships). Favre has 44 TD's to 30 INT's and a 86.5 QB rating with a 13-11 W/L and 1-1 in the Super Bowl.

Starr clearly gets the nod based on the record but also gets the caveat of playing with a HOF coach, RB, OL and a number 1 ranked defense for 5 of his championships. Favre had Reggie White for a few years.

 

[MrBill]

I'm not interested in how many INTs are thrown per attempt.

Actually there is no other way to look at the raw data. If a QB has 8,000 attempts and 300 INT's he is obviously better than a QB with 4,000 attempts and 250 INT's.

I simply looked at INTs per full season played (minimum 13 games started) and found that Favre was much worse than any other QB I calculated it with (Marino, Kelly, Elway, Rodgers, Manning, Brady).

 

[bucky]

Starr clearly gets the nod based on the record but also gets the caveat of playing with a HOF coach, RB, OL and a number 1 ranked defense for 5 of his championships. Favre had Reggie White for a few years.

Favre had a lot more than Reggie White. He had GB's all time leading receiver in both yards and catches. He had GB's all time leading rusher and a top O-Line. He had some really good TE's. Brett had some very good talent around him. Brett was just prone to making mistakes at the most crucial times. Starr wasn't. Rodgers looks pretty mistake free as well.

 

[MrBill]

Favre had a lot more than Reggie White. He had GB's all time leading receiver in both yards and catches. He had GB's all time leading rusher and a top O-Line. He had some really good TE's. Brett had some very good talent around him. Brett was just prone to making mistakes at the most crucial times. Starr wasn't. Rodgers looks pretty mistake free as well.

Agreed. Favre had very good talent, Starr had Hall of Famers.

I love Donald Driver but he has only made the pro bowl 3 times in his career, it's not like Favre ever had a truly special WR after Sharpe's injury. Rodgers has the best 5 WR lineup in the league and flag football rules for the defense. Favre had to throw the ball into tight coverage with lesser receivers and more aggressive defensive play allowed. I'm loving that the Packers have had 3 of the best QB's in the game in the modern era but I don't think you can ever have a truly apples to apples comparison of them because football is a team sport and the rules have changed too much as the game has evolved.

 

[bucky]

I love Donald Driver but he has only made the pro bowl 3 times in his career, it's not like Favre ever had a truly special WR after Sharpe's injury.

He's the GB ALL TIME leader in receptions and yardage. Nothing special?

Rodgers has the best 5 WR lineup in the league and flag football rules for the defense.

Nobody even wanted James Jones. J. Finley didn't even play last year. Nelson is having a breakout season, but was average last year. Driver was and is winding down. Really, the only SPECIAL guy Rodger's had last year was Jennings. And they won the SB w/o having much of a running game.

And the real rules that benefit the passing game happened when Brett was playing. The rule that only allows hitting the receiver with in 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. The major rule changes since then doesn't open routes, or keep lineman from sacking the QB. They just limit how you hit them.

Favre had to throw the ball into tight coverage with lesser receivers and more aggressive defensive play allowed.

Favre chose to throw into tighter spaces. That's the difference between Favre and Starr, and Favre and Rodgers. Starr and Rodgers make much better decisions. That's something that you can compare between era's. And again, Brett had good receivers to throw to for much of his career AND he has a very good run game for most of his career.

I don't think you can ever have a truly apples to apples comparison of them because football is a team sport and the rules have changed too much as the game has evolved.

There are certain things you can compare. Like there decision making, especially at critical times in the most crucial games, like the playoffs. Brett was just an average QB in the playoffs. He had a run that just about on par with Rodgers current play during the SB years under Holmgren. Brett had a year and a half span that he threw very few ints. But after Holmgren left, Brett was back to making BAD decisions. That something that can be compared between eras.