Al Davis: Screw You Richard Seymour, FRANCHISED~!

[dave]

co-sign.

He's maybe their best d-lineman now, and that is including justin smith.

Justin Smith has always been overrated.

Yes, he's good ... but he's never been great.

If he were a black guy, fans would call him an underachiever.

 

[Palooza]

Justin Smith has always been overrated.

Yes, he's good ... but he's never been great.

If he were a black guy, fans would call him an underachiever.

you sound like rush limbaugh

 

[dave]

you sound like rush limbaugh

I hate when white guys get God status when they've pretty much done nothing (or not much).

Justin Smith is what he is - a good football player.

He's not a franchise player, nor has he ever been a franchise player.

Jared Allen is a franchise end ... Justin Smith is ok.

 

[Palooza]

I hate when white guys get God status when they've pretty much done nothing (or not much).

Justin Smith is what he is - a good football player.

He's not a franchise player, nor has he ever been a franchise player.

Jared Allen is a franchise end ... Justin Smith is ok.

I forgot Justin Smith even existed before this thread.

 

[Tailback U]

Nobody is going to offer Seymour a hefty long-term contract at his age. He is on the decline. His best days are behind him. If he's looking for some big multiyear multimillion dollar contract then he is living in a fantasy land.

Especially considering there are plenty of premier d-linemen hitting the market (Peppers, Dumerville, Ray Edwards, Johnny Jolly, Kampman, Wilfork, Casey Hampton, Vanden Bosch, etc.). Whatever the Raiders are offering him is most likely more than fair.

 

[citizenerased]

B/c if franchised players get hurt, they make nothing.

The Franchise Tag salary is guaranteed isn't it?

 

[Prodigal Son]

The Franchise Tag salary is guaranteed isn't it?

yes.

Poor guy might get hurt making 12 million this year. How shall he survive?

he might have to resort to beans and rice for dinner if things don't go his way.

 

[Hasselbeck]

I hate when white guys get God status when they've pretty much done nothing (or not much).

Justin Smith is what he is - a good football player.

He's not a franchise player, nor has he ever been a franchise player.

Jared Allen is a franchise end ... Justin Smith is ok.

:jonesy:

God status?

Justin Smith is RARELY talked about when the Niners are brought up.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Anyway, as for the franchise tag and players being unhappy about it... yes it's a lot of money they get.. but imagine you are stuck at work.. considering most of this site is 16-20.. let's just say you're employed by a fast food joint or a shitty store in the mall and you are chomping at the bit to get out there. Let's say that job increases your pay but makes it to where you are stuck there another year... would probably kind of suck right?

Yeah.. I realize for millions of dollars playing football.. it might be a little different. But if you were eager to leave and sign with whatever team you wanted, and then you were forced to stay.. well.. that might make a player or two unhappy.

 

[Fox1994]

^Right? It's more akin to moving from one shitty fast food joint to another (BK to Mickey D's or Taco Bell) than actually moving up or down...

He's not going to go from playing football to being an astrophysicist or something...

He's not going to get a better deal. Isn't the franchise tag the average of the top three salaries at that position? Longest deal he'll probably get at his age is three years. He better just take what he can get.

 

[EmpireWF]

The Franchise Tag salary is guaranteed isn't it?

thanks.

Even so, they have no long term stability.

 

[Leftwich]

This is an uncapped year. He was probably looking for a big pay day somewhere else.

 

[f16harm]

thanks.

Even so, they have no long term stability.

No long term stability? The fuck?

20% of that 1 year guarantee is more than 99.9% of the people on this site will make in their entire career.

These type of responses by a fan, or player, are absolutely fucking ludicrous. It only shows how much people don't know how to conceptualize money and how to accurately take care of it.

 

[Fox1994]

It's average of top 5 or 120 of the players previous years salary whichever is GREATER. That's why you rarely see players get franchised back to back. It cost crazy money that 2nd year.

@ Empire WF, if you don't consider 12M long term stability what kind of lifestyle are you living? If Seymour really doesn't think he'll be able to sign a contract in 2011 because he's franchised for a year he needs to wake the fuck up.

See. That's plenty of money.

 

[EmpireWF]

No long term stability? The fuck?

20% of that 1 year guarantee is more than 99.9% of the people on this site will make in their entire career.

These type of responses by a fan, or player, are absolutely fucking ludicrous. It only shows how much people don't know how to conceptualize money and how to accurately take care of it.

No shit for us that would likely set us up for life. But you have to figure guys who have made millions for the majority of their adult life have bigger bills than your or I.

What if he (forbid) has a serious, career threatening injury? Sure he may collect the $12 mil, but that's it...plus whatever insurance I suppose.

Not saying you should ball your eyes out for the guy, but realize why players usually dislike being franchised.

 

[f16harm]

No shit for us that would likely set us up for life. But you have to figure guys who have made millions for the majority of their adult life have bigger bills than your or I.

That is fucking bullshit. That proves even more that someone can't handle their money. You can always sell a house or car if it is in the multi-million dollar range. And that's the only place where their serious debt should be. It can't be in medical as they have league insurance covering their family health. Anywhere else and it is a REALLY stupid fucking problem I don't feel sorry for them with, because obviously it will be wrapped up in shitty business ventures, idiotic jewelry, entourage BS, etc. etc. After that, a really nice house and a couple vehicles is easily affordable. Have you ever even sat down and done a monthly income, after taxes, for someone who makes $300,000 or maybe $400,000 a year???? That's more than 13,000 a month after taxes. Thankful to God my household income is very good, and I have a nice house, cars, etc but the difference becomes exponentially greater as the salary increases....if I had that extra difference between what I make now and the $13,000, I really don't know where it would go besides the bank UNLESS I purposely tried to waste it on dumb shit.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Wow you sound like my g/f but I'll tell you like I tell her. You got a shitty degree from a shitty school and you make 45K at 24 years old in a shitty economy to check people out in a pharmacy so suck it up and get paid. Work sucks but at the end of the day you gotta get paid so go work and as soon as you get out you forget about that shit.

He may have been eager to leave but if he doesn't like the rules the NFL has in place I'm sure the CFL or UFL would be glad to take him.

I'm not saying athletes shouldn't be grateful they make millions of dollars to play a game, I'm just saying .. the idea they cannot physically leave a team, something the franchise tag really really makes a difficult thing to do, frustrates a LOT of players.

That's why the franchise tag pisses vets like Seymour off. It's not like he signed in Oakland willingly. He was traded there. Now he can't leave that team because of this tag. If he was all about the money, I'm sure he would have signed a long term deal with a lot of guaranteed coin - especially since the Raiders have a tendency to grossly overpay their players. I think Seymour probably would rather play his last few seasons on a contender, rather than be stuck in a football purgatory.

^Right? It's more akin to moving from one shitty fast food joint to another (BK to Mickey D's or Taco Bell) than actually moving up or down...

He's not going to go from playing football to being an astrophysicist or something...

He's not going to get a better deal. Isn't the franchise tag the average of the top three salaries at that position? Longest deal he'll probably get at his age is three years. He better just take what he can get.

In the NFL.. The Raiders would be like a Burger King. He may not get a better deal financially, but he'd probably be in a much better environment if he were allowed to pick his own team.

 

[Fox1994]

That is fucking bullshit. That proves even more that someone can't handle their money. You can always sell a house or car if it is in the multi-million dollar range. And that's the only place where their serious debt should be. It can't be in medical as they have league insurance covering their family health. Anywhere else and it is a REALLY stupid fucking problem I don't feel sorry for them with, because obviously it will be wrapped up in shitty business ventures, idiotic jewelry, entourage BS, etc. etc. After that, a really nice house and a couple vehicles is easily affordable. Have you ever even sat down and done a monthly income, after taxes, for someone who makes $300,000 or maybe $400,000 a year???? That's more than 13,000 a month after taxes. Thankful to God my household income is very good, and I have a nice house, cars, etc but the difference becomes exponentially greater as the salary increases....if I had that extra difference between what I make now and the $13,000, I really don't know where it would go besides the bank UNLESS I purposely tried to waste it on dumb shit.

And that's the problem. These ignorant motherfuckers piss millions of dollars away and then want people to feel bad for their lazy asses. Their whole lives things are handed to them hand-over-fist. I mean look at the recruiting shit that goes on - they get cars, and houses, and bitches.

They get all that, and they never learn - even with a free fucking education - that there's an end to this. Your NFL career is more than likely to end in your early thirties. But these fools aren't ready for real life after that.

And it disgusts me.

I'm not saying athletes shouldn't be grateful they make millions of dollars to play a game, I'm just saying .. the idea they cannot physically leave a team, something the franchise tag really really makes a difficult thing to do, frustrates a LOT of players.

That's why the franchise tag pisses vets like Seymour off. It's not like he signed in Oakland willingly. He was traded there. Now he can't leave that team because of this tag. If he was all about the money, I'm sure he would have signed a long term deal with a lot of guaranteed coin - especially since the Raiders have a tendency to grossly overpay their players. I think Seymour probably would rather play his last few seasons on a contender, rather than be stuck in a football purgatory.



In the NFL.. The Raiders would be like a Burger King. He may not get a better deal financially, but he'd probably be in a much better environment if he were allowed to pick his own team.

Ya. And that makes perfect sense... I considered that. But he's not complaining about that. He's complaining about future security. $12M is set for life if you use it right. If you put some money away - savings, investments...