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Baseball Hall of Fame ballot: 2013

Senser81

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http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8...ger-clemens-sammy-sosa-set-appear-hall-ballot

Name 2012
votes Percent Yrs on
ballot
Sandy Alomar Jr.
Jeff Bagwell 321 56.0% 2
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Jeff Cirillo
Royce Clayton
Roger Clemens
Jeff Conine
Steve Finley
Julio Franco
Shawn Green
Roberto Hernandez
Ryan Klesko
Kenny Lofton
Edgar Martinez 209 36.5% 3
Don Mattingly 102 17.8% 12
Fred McGriff 137 23.9% 3
Mark McGwire 112 19.5% 6
Jose Mesa
Jack Morris 382 66.7% 13
Dale Murphy 83 14.5% 14
Rafael Palmeiro 72 12.6% 2
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines 279 48.7% 5
Reggie Sanders
Curt Schilling
Aaron Sele
Lee Smith 290 50.6% 10
Sammy Sosa
Mike Stanton
Alan Trammell 211 36.8% 11
Larry Walker
Todd Walker 131 22.9% 2
David Wells
Rondell White
Bernie Williams 55 9.6% 1
Woody Williams
 
Too bad the steroid guys are going to dominate the discussion, because there are a lot of interesting 'regular' players on the ballot:

Craig Biggio
Kenny Lofton
Edgar Martinez 209 36.5% 3
Don Mattingly 102 17.8% 12
Fred McGriff 137 23.9% 3
Jack Morris 382 66.7% 13
Dale Murphy 83 14.5% 14
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines 279 48.7% 5
Curt Schilling
Lee Smith 290 50.6% 10
Alan Trammell 211 36.8% 11
Larry Walker
 
Hopefully it is hard for a lot of people to narrow their ballot down to ten names. A lot of deserving players this year.
 
Man, if Jack Morris gets in...

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If I had to do 10:

Name 2012
votes Percent Yrs on
ballot
Sandy Alomar Jr.
Jeff Bagwell 321 56.0% 2
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Jeff Cirillo
Royce Clayton
Roger Clemens
Jeff Conine
Steve Finley
Julio Franco
Shawn Green
Roberto Hernandez
Ryan Klesko
Kenny Lofton
Edgar Martinez 209 36.5% 3
Don Mattingly 102 17.8% 12
Fred McGriff 137 23.9% 3
Mark McGwire 112 19.5% 6
Jose Mesa
Jack Morris 382 66.7% 13
Dale Murphy 83 14.5% 14
Rafael Palmeiro 72 12.6% 2
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines 279 48.7% 5
Reggie Sanders
Curt Schilling
Aaron Sele
Lee Smith 290 50.6% 10
Sammy Sosa
Mike Stanton
Alan Trammell 211 36.8% 11
Larry Walker
Todd Walker 131 22.9% 2
David Wells
Rondell White
Bernie Williams 55 9.6% 1
Woody Williams
 
Both beasts offensively.

Walker is a 69 WAR guy, 141 OPS+. Makes it in under JAWS, just under in Black Ink.

Bagwell is a no-brainer, 76.7 WAR, 149 OPS+. Slam dunk in JAWS and Grey Ink.

I would probably be okay subbing Sosa for either Trammell or Lofton.
 
FedEx227 said:
Both beasts offensively.

Walker is a 69 WAR guy, 141 OPS+. Makes it in under JAWS, just under in Black Ink.

Bagwell is a no-brainer, 76.7 WAR, 149 OPS+. Slam dunk in JAWS and Grey Ink.

I would probably be okay subbing Sosa for either Trammell or Lofton.
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But he played in COORS! It's not as if we have stadium and era relative statistics to look at that judge him among the games greatest.
 
FedEx227 said:
If I had to do 10:

Name 2012
votes Percent Yrs on
ballot
Sandy Alomar Jr.
Jeff Bagwell 321 56.0% 2
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Jeff Cirillo
Royce Clayton
Roger Clemens
Jeff Conine
Steve Finley
Julio Franco
Shawn Green
Roberto Hernandez
Ryan Klesko
Kenny Lofton
Edgar Martinez 209 36.5% 3
Don Mattingly 102 17.8% 12
Fred McGriff 137 23.9% 3
Mark McGwire 112 19.5% 6
Jose Mesa
Jack Morris 382 66.7% 13
Dale Murphy 83 14.5% 14
Rafael Palmeiro 72 12.6% 2
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines 279 48.7% 5
Reggie Sanders
Curt Schilling
Aaron Sele
Lee Smith 290 50.6% 10
Sammy Sosa
Mike Stanton
Alan Trammell 211 36.8% 11
Larry Walker
Todd Walker 131 22.9% 2
David Wells
Rondell White
Bernie Williams 55 9.6% 1
Woody Williams
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Why a "no" vote on Biggio? Just not a first ballot guy, or do you feel he shouldn't ever get in?
 
Yeah, in any other year or any of the last 3-4 I would've easily put them in but not when we have a top 5 player of all-time, top 5 pitcher of all-time and really some of the best all-around guys of the 90s-00s.
 
Senser81 said:
Why a "no" vote on Biggio? Just not a first ballot guy, or do you feel he shouldn't ever get in?
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Too loaded of a year for me to put him in. I didn't do any big research before I bolded the list just went by what I already know and already looked up. I'd have to look harder to see if he could leapfrog any of those guys. He's going to get in one year, but as Warner mentioned with some of his omissions, just too much greatness this year.
 
Here is my list...5 guys make it...


Sandy Alomar Jr.
Jeff Bagwell 321 56.0% 2
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Jeff Cirillo
Royce Clayton
Roger Clemens
Jeff Conine
Steve Finley
Julio Franco
Shawn Green
Roberto Hernandez
Ryan Klesko
Kenny Lofton
Edgar Martinez 209 36.5% 3
Don Mattingly 102 17.8% 12
Fred McGriff 137 23.9% 3
Mark McGwire 112 19.5% 6
Jose Mesa
Jack Morris 382 66.7% 13
Dale Murphy 83 14.5% 14
Rafael Palmeiro 72 12.6% 2
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines 279 48.7% 5
Reggie Sanders
Curt Schilling
Aaron Sele
Lee Smith 290 50.6% 10
Sammy Sosa
Mike Stanton
Alan Trammell 211 36.8% 11
Larry Walker
Todd Walker 131 22.9% 2
David Wells
Rondell White
Bernie Williams 55 9.6% 1
Woody Williams
 
FedEx227 said:
Too loaded of a year for me to put him in. I didn't do any big research before I bolded the list just went by what I already know and already looked up. I'd have to look harder to see if he could leapfrog any of those guys. He's going to get in one year, but as Warner mentioned with some of his omissions, just too much greatness this year.
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Yeah, its a loaded year, but you have guys like Raines, Murphy, and Schilling getting in, too. Not exactly surefire HOFers, and I don't really see why those guys should get in over Biggio.
 
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