Best coach in football.. Coughlin or Belichick?

[ram29jackson]

Also, the last time someone hired a guy off the Giants staff, the Rams got the Steve Spags era. That really didnt work out too well.

never hire assistant's as a step up, always hire head coaches as head coaches and wait to see if assistants learn how to become head coaches before you hire them..Spags is a great defensive coach but a hot head who cant organize more than that...but he may have learned his lesson as a result ?

 

[EmpireWF]

You mean the guy who let his rookie back-up return guy handle an OT punt return after fumbling earlier in the game? :duda:

 

[Villain]

You mean the guy who let his rookie back-up return guy handle an OT punt return after fumbling earlier in the game? :duda:

No you're right. He should've just marched out an injured player out for that one. :smh:

He made something out of nothing. 2 rookie player mistakes away from going to the superbowl with almost the exact same team that missed the playoffs in a division which was won by a team with a losing record.

He did it without a full offseason to coach up his team and got production out of guys who've been through new coordinators every season for the past seven in a row.

Well-deserved coach of the year winner.

 

[EmpireWF]

No you're right. He should've just marched out an injured player out for that one. :smh:

You mean to tell me there was not a single other option active that game who could have returned the punt in OT?

Or did he even tell the kid to not worry about returning, just make sure to catch it?

 

[ram29jackson]

best coach in football?

Don Shula

 

[Villain]

You mean to tell me there was not a single other option active that game who could have returned the punt in OT?

Or did he even tell the kid to not worry about returning, just make sure to catch it?

Braylon Edwards, cut. Josh Morgan, broken leg. Ted Ginn Jr, out with injury.

They had a rookie wideout who was a punt/kick return specialist in college and they had to trust the talent that was available. The 49ers were very lucky as a team injury-wise all year except for Willis missing two games and Delanie Walker getting he jaw broken and at the wide reciever position. 49ers already had a thin WR corps and with all the injuries you use what you have.

Why don't you go be an expert and pore over the roster to find a better candidate?

 

[Senser81]

I think Belichick is a great strategist and he finds players that fit his system and gets the most out of them.

I still don't know what to make of Coughlin. He is a good coach, but sometimes he's a total meathead, and his teams are wildly inconsistent. The inconsistency is probably due to Coughlin's inability to adapt. He reminds me of Chuck Knox or Marty Schottenheimer. When all the pieces are in place, he can get his team to win. But if one part is missing, thats it. Coughlin would routinely get out-coached by Jeff Fisher, FWIW.

 

[EmpireWF]

I still don't know what to make of Coughlin. He is a good coach, but sometimes he's a total meathead, and his teams are wildly inconsistent. The inconsistency is probably due to Coughlin's inability to adapt. He reminds me of Chuck Knox or Marty Schottenheimer. When all the pieces are in place, he can get his team to win. But if one part is missing, thats it. Coughlin would routinely get out-coached by Jeff Fisher, FWIW.

The one thing that's been clearly talked about the past month that may be part of that is the defense. Heading into the Jet game, the defensive captains/leaders/whatever spoke with DC Perry Fewell and aired out all their issues. He cut down on the amount of zones, called more man coverages and whatever else.

Sure, the fact it took them until Week 16 to do that sorta thing is mind boggling but Coughlin was able to light a fire under this teams ass at the right time.

The one weakness of Coughlin's this year was his use of challenges. For the first time. Usually, he's one of the most successful coaches with them but not this year. Still, for reasons that have been talked about all season -- this team was 7-7, 6-6 at one point after being 6-2....they got healthy and gelled at the right time.

Braylon Edwards, cut. Josh Morgan, broken leg. Ted Ginn Jr, out with injury.

Why don't you go be an expert and pore over the roster to find a better candidate?

Looking over the Niners regular season, Ginn did the majority of punt returns. DB Reggie Smith had 4 and Williams had 2.

I just know that with the Giants (who by no means have someone even close to Ginn in the return game), they've been shuffling guys back and forth all season. Aaron Ross, Will Blackmon, Antrel Rolle, Domenik Hixon and Victor Cruz each have had time returning punts. In the post-season, it was Ross' gig and ironically against the ball hawking Niners ST, he was instructed to catch the ball and get to the floor as quickly and securely as possible.

With the two fumbles, I see it as obviously having faith in the guy from Harbaugh's perspective....but in OT of the NFC Championship game, after fumbling earlier in the game....tell the kid to fair catch it.

 

[ram29jackson]

I think Belichick is a great strategist and he finds players that fit his system and gets the most out of them.

I still don't know what to make of Coughlin. He is a good coach, but sometimes he's a total meathead, and his teams are wildly inconsistent. The inconsistency is probably due to Coughlin's inability to adapt. He reminds me of Chuck Knox or Marty Schottenheimer. When all the pieces are in place, he can get his team to win. But if one part is missing, thats it. Coughlin would routinely get out-coached by Jeff Fisher, FWIW.

kind of a ridiculous comparison considering he is 2 for 2 against a great strategist in the Super Bowl. An inability to adapt would mean never getting to and winning a Super Bowl. I think he has adapted quite nicely.Plus,he has adapted simply because he was once a dogmatic control freak and now he isnt and thats another reason he has succeeded and gotten a team to follow his lead.

in reference to the title..you are only as good as your last game,coach or player..so, yes,between the 2, over the last 4 years,he is the best coach in football

 

[Senser81]

kind of a ridiculous comparison considering he is 2 for 2 against a great strategist in the Super Bowl. An inability to adapt would mean never getting to and winning a Super Bowl. I think he has adapted quite nicely.Plus,he has adapted simply because he was once a dogmatic control freak and now he isnt and thats another reason he has succeeded and gotten a team to follow his lead.

in reference to the title..you are only as good as your last game,coach or player..so, yes,between the 2, over the last 4 years,he is the best coach in football

Not surprisingly, you completely missed the point. I wasn't comparing "Super Bowl Resumes", I was comparing their coaching styles. And this year, the Giants had better players than New England and were in better health. Its kind of like rewarding Coughlin twice...once for being such a poor coach in the regular season so that his team is only 9-7, and again for winning the Super Bowl against a great strategist.

And LOL at the "dogmatic control freak" comment. Thats really deep stuff right there. How else did he adapt? Did he run out of toothpaste one morning and instead used dental floss?

He has adapted quite nicely because he won a Super Bowl...got it.

 

[ram29jackson]

Not surprisingly, you completely missed the point. I wasn't comparing "Super Bowl Resumes", I was comparing their coaching styles. And this year, the Giants had better players than New England and were in better health. Its kind of like rewarding Coughlin twice...once for being such a poor coach in the regular season so that his team is only 9-7, and again for winning the Super Bowl against a great strategist.

And LOL at the "dogmatic control freak" comment. Thats really deep stuff right there. How else did he adapt? Did he run out of toothpaste one morning and instead used dental floss?

He has adapted quite nicely because he won a Super Bowl...got it.

yes,the further you go,the longer it takes,the more you need to adapt. Its pretty simple. He was a dogmatic control freak and for the last 4 years he hasnt been. That is a truth. And it obviously seems to have benefited him....

how is it Coughlins fault that a heavily injured team goes 9-7? you as a Coach,still need the proper horses to execute...Belichicks great but an injured TE destroyed his chances at success 3 days ago.....


no I didnt miss the point ...saying Coughlin coaches like Knox is just plain stupid in comparison..Knox never let a QB do what QBs should do or never had one good enough that his paranoid ass trusted. You cant compare coaching styles without comparing what the coaching styles lead to.


..and if I missed your point,who cares ? I made my own LOL

 

[Senser81]

how is it Coughlins fault that a heavily injured team goes 9-7? you as a Coach,still need the proper horses to execute...Belichicks great but an injured TE destroyed his chances at success 3 days ago.....

Don't really know why I'm responding, because no one really takes you seriously, but...

You are just looking at last season, and perhaps even just the Super Bowl. Then you are making these retarded statements. And LOL at Belichick's great but an injured TE destroyed his chances at success...gimme a break! Still almost beat the Giants, and the Pats season was a success.

no I didnt miss the point ...saying Coughlin coaches like Knox is just plain stupid in comparison..Knox never let a QB do what QBs should do or never had one good enough that his paranoid ass trusted. You cant compare coaching styles without comparing what the coaching styles lead to.

HUH? I'm the one trying to compare coaching styles, you are trying to compare super bowl resumes, then you tell me I can't compare coaching styles without comparing what the coaching styles "lead to"? I don't have their records in front of me, but I would guess that Knox and Schottenheimer were just as successful as Coughlin. Under Knox, both Joe Ferguson (1981) and Dave Krieg (1984) had career years. So I have no idea what you are talking about when you say Knox never let a QB do what QBs do.